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View Poll Results: Are the 144,000 all Jews? No Gentiles?
Yes, they are all Jews 1 20.00%
Maybe, I don't know 0 0%
No, They are everyone who is in Christ at his return, Jews and Gentiles 3 60.00%
I am not taking your poll. 1 20.00%
Voters: 5. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-16-2016, 07:39 AM
 
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God is with 0 who reject his son.
When did G-d ever say that?...
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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Tribber?


The Tribulation is about you and when you will come up to your days, to your days of walking in your prophesy.


Each generation has a chance to walk in the trib.


To overcome.


There is a 7 year covenant and you have 42 months of walking in the flesh until you can symbolically go all the way to death in dying daily, and then coming up to Rosh Hashanah, the day no man knows.


If you make it, if you overcome and go all the way to death, then you will begin your last 3 and a half years. You will be given strength and stood up on your feet.


It isn't about an end of the world, it is about you personally, and your 7 years.

Sure. Sure. How much are the milkshakes?
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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God, made at minimum 5 covenants throughout his written word. Jesus, the one sent by God brought a new covenant( to Israel) they outright rejected the messiah and the new covenant. Jehovah witnesses have 0 to do with Babylonian feasts and Sabbaths. We live under the new covenant brought forth by Jesus the Messiah.

Jesus didn't "bring forth" a covenant. He was the Lamb of God who fulfilled and sealed a covenant promised from the foundation of creation.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Yeah...No such thing as spiritual Israel...You can't prove it...

Nonsense, on both counts.
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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Nonsense, on both counts.
And?...
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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Nonsense, on both counts.
Yeah...No such thing as spiritual Israel...You can't prove it...
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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Yeah...No such thing as spiritual Israel...You can't prove it...

I can prove it. You aren't interested in having it proven to you, because obviously you've considered this assertion before and reject the theological arguments for it.... for whatever reason.

But the fact that Jesus refers to gentile believes as "ingrafted branches" should in and of itself be ample evidence. The Kingdom of David shall last forever and ever.... there's another hint. God is not the god of the dead, but of the living.... hey... another hint.
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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God is with 0 who reject his son.

Do you mean those who reject all the ways of Christ, all his Sabbaths and feast days for another Messiah?


Or do you mean the people who actually keep all the ways of the Messiah in his Sabbaths, in his feasts, and in the ways of his father?


What is greater?


People who claim they believe in Jesus but reject all his ways that teach of him, or the people who say they don't believe in Jesus but accept all the ways of Jesus?


One people claim they believe in Jesus but their Sabbaths and feasts and traditions prove they do not.
One people claim they don't believe in Jesus but their Sabbaths and feasts and traditions prove they do.


Jesus brought a covenant for Ephraim and Judah and Gentiles are not grafted into Judah.


If you are not one of these, you don't have a covenant.


Judah remains as God said that he would never abandon Judah, but Israel always dies.


Gentiles were grafted through Ephraim and they converted to Judaism, but 100 years later, they converted to a new religion and as always, Judah is the son who stays home.


Gentiles left Judah, they left Jerusalem and took on a new Holy place and a new religion, Jews stayed home and they continue to be the only ones who keep and love the commandments of God.


So what is your advise to the Jew?


''Believe in Christ, REJECT the commandments of God, and then come and join us in all our pagan ways?''


Is that the advise from Christians?


''A Jew should call the Torah a strange thing and he should reject the father's ways and all of them should accept all the Babylonian Holy days about Tammuz.''


Gentiles left, Judah did not leave.


Judah cannot come to gentiles, only the gentiles can return, they left, Judah did not.


Only a gentile can bring a covenant now, they have to fix the covenant, and this cannot be done standing in Babylon because Jews cannot begin keeping ways of other gods, would you have them reject God's ways to then become pagan?
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Old 04-16-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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Jesus didn't "bring forth" a covenant. He was the Lamb of God who fulfilled and sealed a covenant promised from the foundation of creation.



He most assuredly brought a new covenant--Love is the new covenant--not written law.
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Old 04-16-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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Do you mean those who reject all the ways of Christ, all his Sabbaths and feast days for another Messiah?


Or do you mean the people who actually keep all the ways of the Messiah in his Sabbaths, in his feasts, and in the ways of his father?


What is greater?


People who claim they believe in Jesus but reject all his ways that teach of him, or the people who say they don't believe in Jesus but accept all the ways of Jesus?


One people claim they believe in Jesus but their Sabbaths and feasts and traditions prove they do not.
One people claim they don't believe in Jesus but their Sabbaths and feasts and traditions prove they do.


Jesus brought a covenant for Ephraim and Judah and Gentiles are not grafted into Judah.


If you are not one of these, you don't have a covenant.


Judah remains as God said that he would never abandon Judah, but Israel always dies.


Gentiles were grafted through Ephraim and they converted to Judaism, but 100 years later, they converted to a new religion and as always, Judah is the son who stays home.


Gentiles left Judah, they left Jerusalem and took on a new Holy place and a new religion, Jews stayed home and they continue to be the only ones who keep and love the commandments of God.


So what is your advise to the Jew?


''Believe in Christ, REJECT the commandments of God, and then come and join us in all our pagan ways?''


Is that the advise from Christians?


''A Jew should call the Torah a strange thing and he should reject the father's ways and all of them should accept all the Babylonian Holy days about Tammuz.''


Gentiles left, Judah did not leave.


Judah cannot come to gentiles, only the gentiles can return, they left, Judah did not.


Only a gentile can bring a covenant now, they have to fix the covenant, and this cannot be done standing in Babylon because Jews cannot begin keeping ways of other gods, would you have them reject God's ways to then become pagan?



Jesus taught-- proof of ones love for him was by one-LISTENING to him, not lip service--listening--That would entail---learning every single teaching and applying every single teaching--here is the tough one on most---Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God= OT-NT-- years of study to learn every utterance and apply them daily.
The new religion Jesus started is not pagan--the great apostasy( 2Thess 2:3) brought paganism in. God sent Jesus to the Israelites--they rejected him. Thus God cut them off-Matt 23:37-39
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