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Old 04-21-2016, 05:24 PM
 
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This is something I've thought about a lot recently. The Bible speaks much more strongly and often against divorce and remarriage than it does homosexuality, yet most turn a blind eye to it while becoming outraged about homosexuality. A lot of it has to deal with the fact that opposing homosexuality is at the core of their political beliefs, and more and more conservative Christianity and right-wing Republicanism are becoming one and the same. Also, a lot of them have committed the sin of divorce and remarriage while homosexuality isn't common in conservative Christian circles (those who deal with it generally leave the faith or go to a more liberal church). It is hypocrisy, but it's a fact of life in conservative Christian circles.
I guess divorce and remarriage is the actual unforgiveable sin. Thanks for clearing up that theological point.
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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This is something I've thought about a lot recently. The Bible speaks much more strongly and often against divorce and remarriage than it does homosexuality, yet most turn a blind eye to it while becoming outraged about homosexuality. A lot of it has to deal with the fact that opposing homosexuality is at the core of their political beliefs, and more and more conservative Christianity and right-wing Republicanism are becoming one and the same. Also, a lot of them have committed the sin of divorce and remarriage while homosexuality isn't common in conservative Christian circles (those who deal with it generally leave the faith or go to a more liberal church). It is hypocrisy, but it's a fact of life in conservative Christian circles.

Yeah.... but let's take a look at the history of divorce law in this country, and all the other laws about unmarried cohabitation and fornication and such... and lets talk about who supported liberalizing them, and who didn't. And now today, 60 years later, you've got generations of Christians who grew up in the "new morality" and being told to be "tolerant" and "forgiving".... and it's not hard to see the disparity. And yet... here we are with the accusations of "hypocrisy".... when you and I know darn well that the beliefs on homosexuality are probably going to CONTINUE to liberalize in the church (not begin... continue)... so we're seeing an historical process at work across generations.

So, it's not always accurate to say Christians in America always had a hypocritical contradiction in viewpoints.
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Old 04-21-2016, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Townsville
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<snip> ...if a person is divorced because their spouse cheated on them and it was not their fault, Jesus does allow for divorce and remarriage.
I would beg to differ. While divorce IS permitted where the other spouse has committed infidelity, remarriage is not permitted. Two wrongs don't make a right ...scripturally speaking. One or the other partners has to die, thereby freeing up the remaining partner to (re)marry another whose partner has also died or they are single. The act of (scriptural) adultery is not somehow waived simply because one partner was unfaithful. Adultery is still adultery, regardless.
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:01 PM
 
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Why do conservative christians accept divorce and remarriage although in the bible God hates a divorce, yet they give grief about same-sex marriage? Simple question.
They're hypocrites. Plain and simple. Same reason the South with the most anti-gay views in the country has the highest rates of gay porn viewing.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:50 AM
 
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They're hypocrites. Plain and simple. Same reason the South with the most anti-gay views in the country has the highest rates of gay porn viewing.
I don't know about the porn (gay or straight) viewing but, yes, when it comes to opposition of gay marriage and general approval of divorce/remarriage the mainstream church IS, as you say, plainly and simply hypocritical. Obviously, I don't include those gay-affirming churches in this statement. But then, they probably wouldn't be considered 'mainstream' either.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:06 AM
 
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All churches do not act in the same manner. Whatever its policy, it should be consistent.

The only thing is divorce is a one time act... in other words it is not continuous.
How about remarriage? Isn't that continuous?

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If one calls himself or herself a homosexual, I assume that includes the behavior. So if the behavior continues, that person is still actively sinning, which would be an issue.
When one remarries the behavior of adultery occurs and is a continuing process. Therefore, that couple is still actively sinning. Unless, of course, one or other of the original partners is deceased.

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Now if a person is a Christian who has issues with homosexual behavior, but is not engaging in the behavior, then that should be acceptable.
How about a person who is a Christian who doesn't have issues with homosexuality and IS engaging in the behavior? Should that be acceptable?
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Old 04-22-2016, 03:17 AM
 
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personally I think these types of contradictions resemble an early teen brain. I don't mean that as bad or good thing, just a thing.
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Old 04-22-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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How about remarriage? Isn't that continuous?



When one remarries the behavior of adultery occurs and is a continuing process. Therefore, that couple is still actively sinning. Unless, of course, one or other of the original partners is deceased.

I understand the theory regarding sin, divorce, and remarriage. I am not going to say one must divorce their remarried spouse to clean themselves up. Whatever marriage you are in - stay put.



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How about a person who is a Christian who doesn't have issues with homosexuality and IS engaging in the behavior? Should that be acceptable?



No. And there would be doubts to that person's faith in Christ... if that person is able to practice sin regularly without a pinging in their conscience.
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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All churches do not act in the same manner. Whatever its policy, it should be consistent.

The only thing is divorce is a one time act... in otherwords it is not continuous. If one calls himself or herself a homosexual, I assume that includes the behavior. So if the behavior continues, that person is still actively sinning, which would be an issue.

Now if a person is a Christian who has issues with homosexual behavior, but is not engaging in the behavior, then that should be acceptable.

Sorry, but divorce is not a non continuous act. I've been divorced from my husband now for 10 years! I am a divorced woman. Once you're divorced, it goes on your "record"
Once a warranty is void, it will always be void!
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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No. And there would be doubts to that person's faith in Christ... if that person is able to practice sin regularly without a pinging in their conscience.

The problem that I see here is that all peoples practice sin regularly. THat is why Jesus said, "Cast the first stone" when referring to that adulteress who was about to get stoned.

So I guess my main question is, why do some sins carry more weight than others - who makes these decisions and based on what exactly?
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