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So true. I'm also at a loss as to why anti-gay Christians somehow have the impression that gay people are feigning being gay for the sole purpose of pi-s-ing off Christians and thumbing their noses at God.
That does seem to be what they think. I've no idea where they get that idea either. It's frustrating beyond belief trying to get them to see otherwise. Especially when they are tons of LGBT Christians serving God in any way we can, from Pastoring, to working in homeless shelters, and in any capacity imaginable. But we're not doing it out of love for Christ and humanity. Where doing it as part of some liberal agenda.
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This kind of thinking surely questions the intelligence quotient of such people. In fact, if it were not for the damage that these 'Christians' can do and have done to gay people they would be better ignored for the ignoramuses that they are.
I agree. I don't feel right calling them stupid, or crazy, but it does seem as if their pilot lights have been blown out. I agree that if they weren't so harmful and dangerous that it would be best to ignore them. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.
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I remember, many years ago, the wife of a Christian acquaintance having said about her husband,
"You know, T---y knows his Bible backwards, forwards and sideways; he can quote scripture on just about any topic, he's a Bible expert. But ...he doesn't know the first thing about love."
Whenever I become involved in discussions such as this one and am confronted with the ugliness of Christian Fundamentalism, that remark from all those years ago springs to mind.
At the very core of Christian identity, is unconditional love for God and for others. How someone can completely miss that guiding principle, our Prime Directive, if you will; how someone can ignore that and still call themself a Christian is far beyond my understanding.
That does seem to be what they think. I've no idea where they get that idea either. It's frustrating beyond belief trying to get them to see otherwise. Especially when they are tons of LGBT Christians serving God in any way we can, from Pastoring, to working in homeless shelters, and in any capacity imaginable. But we're not doing it out of love for Christ and humanity. Where doing it as part of some liberal agenda. I agree. I don't feel right calling them stupid, or crazy, but it does seem as if their pilot lights have been blown out. I agree that if they weren't so harmful and dangerous that it would be best to ignore them. It would be comical if it weren't so sad. At the very core of Christian identity, is unconditional love for God and for others. How someone can completely miss that guiding principle, our Prime Directive, if you will; how someone can ignore that and still call themself a Christian is far beyond my understanding.
Amen! It is a mystery that is the result of using the CONTEXT of a wrathful God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifice and interpreting Christ's loving sacrifice in that barbaric and primitive context. It is a travesty that accounts for the majority anti-Christ apostate churches prophesied for these latter days.The Spirit of agape love (Who IS God) is completely lost and overshadowed by that primitive and barbaric meme.
So true. I'm also at a loss as to why anti-gay Christians somehow have the impression that gay people are feigning being gay for the sole purpose of pi-s-ing off Christians and thumbing their noses at God.
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That does seem to be what they think. I've no idea where they get that idea either. It's frustrating beyond belief trying to get them to see otherwise. Especially when they are tons of LGBT Christians serving God in any way we can, from Pastoring, to working in homeless shelters, and in any capacity imaginable. But we're not doing it out of love for Christ and humanity. Where doing it as part of some liberal agenda.
I believe that many Christians who support an anti-gay agenda know full well that gay people have no more say in their being gay than do straight people have a say in their being straight. Ignorance of the facts are one thing, knowing the truth but digging in one's heels so as not to go against the 'church party line' is another. And THIS, I believe, is what many people are doing. For instance, I don't believe for one second that Jeff and Vizio and several other participants in this thread are ignorant to the facts surrounding human sexuality. They KNOW that gay people never volunteered to be gay any more than straight people volunteered to be straight. But yet, they go after gay people as though gay people are part of some evil conspiracy whose intent is to overthrow "their" precious religion. This is clearly deception on their part and THEY KNOW IT!!
I'm not so sure about scgraham who seems to be an enigma, a (con)fusion of ignorance and religiosity.
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
This kind of thinking surely questions the intelligence quotient of such people. In fact, if it were not for the damage that these 'Christians' can do and have done to gay people they would be better ignored for the ignoramuses that they are.
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I agree. I don't feel right calling them stupid, or crazy, but it does seem as if their pilot lights have been blown out. I agree that if they weren't so harmful and dangerous that it would be best to ignore them. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.
Ignorance or, as I say above, deception, needs to be called out and it needs to be called out by the use of the correct terminology. These days I pretty much throw 'political correctness' to the wind. I'm gettin' too old to be spending my time worrying about offending an ignoramus or a bigot.
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Originally Posted by RomulusXXV
I remember, many years ago, the wife of a Christian acquaintance having said about her husband,
"You know, T---y knows his Bible backwards, forwards and sideways; he can quote scripture on just about any topic, he's a Bible expert. But ...he doesn't know the first thing about love."
Whenever I become involved in discussions such as this one and am confronted with the ugliness of Christian Fundamentalism, that remark from all those years ago springs to mind.
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Originally Posted by geekigurl
At the very core of Christian identity, is unconditional love for God and for others. How someone can completely miss that guiding principle, our Prime Directive, if you will; how someone can ignore that and still call themself a Christian is far beyond my understanding.
I think the good news is that these types are either wising up to themselves and becoming the kinds of Christians that they really do want to be, or they are otherwise a dying breed. I think the future of Christianity is looking a lot better than it might have looked a decade ago. I believe that people such as John Shelby Spong have paved the way for a brighter form of Christianity.
To ask us to be celibate (to stop being LGB or T is not an option, as that can't be changed) is a burden they would never impose on themselves. To tell someone who is L or G that they have to suck it up for the cause and find someone of the opposite sex to fall in love with is also a burden they would never impose on themselves.
I wasn't born again (you can totally slap me for saying that, I don't have a better phrase at the moment) by the law, but I was by the grace and mercy of God, through Christ.
practicing homosexuals aren't born again no matter how many times you repeat it; you're still of the flesh.
practicing homosexuals aren't born again no matter how many times you repeat it; you're still of the flesh.
And you my Brother are a white single male, with no relationship, not having sex .and hold yourself out as an expert on the sexual lives of others. You are lonely. You have no one to share yourself with.
Being a white single male, not having sex, has certainly made you cranky, not born again.
You should open your Bible and read it. Better yet, have someone read it to you. Your interpretation makes you an expert in ignorance.
God wants you to be happy. Go find yourself a woman, or a man who makes you laugh and feel silly. Have a robust relationship. It will make you less cranky. You will not be lonely. I say this to you out of love Brother.
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And you my Brother are a white single male, with no relationship, not having sex .and hold yourself out as an expert on the sexual lives of others. You are lonely. You have no one to share yourself with.
Being a white single male, not having sex, has certainly made you cranky, not born again.
You should open your Bible and read it. Better yet, have someone read it to you. Your interpretation makes you an expert in ignorance.
God wants you to be happy. Go find yourself a woman, or a man who makes you laugh and feel silly. Have a robust relationship. It will make you less cranky. You will not be lonely. I say this to you out of love Brother.
Jesus said that a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. So, if you don't believe His words, how can I expect you to believe mine?
We seem to have a difference of opinion as to what constitutes 'good fruit', sc. You come across as being very Pharisaical and we know (from Jesus) what 'fruits' THEY bore, don't we?
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