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Old 05-17-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
No, I missed the post you were referring to. Please link the one judging all gay people.
In reference to the 'victim' thing:

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You can't play the "gay victim scam" unless you're actually gay, so of course it has everything to do with him being gay.

How do you win a discrimination law-suit unless you belong to one of the protected classes? Can a white guy sue a company claiming they refused service by saying "we only serve whites"?
This marks, also, the second time you've ignored my main point. I know why you're doing it. You probably know why. I'd argue that by ignoring it and acting like you don't know what my point is, you're lying, which is interesting because I'd imagine you'd call that sinning.

So please answer to my main point instead of a surface level claim, if you're able. If not, sorry. Didn't mean to ask you to think.

 
Old 05-17-2016, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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In reference to the 'victim' thing:
The guy played the victim scam and got caught. Are you denying it, or are you saying we should not talk about it, because it makes you feel like people are "judging all gays"?

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This marks, also, the second time you've ignored my main point. I know why you're doing it. You probably know why. I'd argue that by ignoring it and acting like you don't know what my point is, you're lying, which is interesting because I'd imagine you'd call that sinning.

So please answer to my main point instead of a surface level claim, if you're able. If not, sorry. Didn't mean to ask you to think.
I am asking you to show where you got the idea people are "judging all gays". Your 'point' is built upon that claim, but it turns out you invented the claim, and therefore have no point.
 
Old 05-17-2016, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Deflection is also in the Fundy Handbook.
 
Old 05-17-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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The guy played the victim scam and got caught. Are you denying it, or are you saying we should not talk about it, because it makes you feel like people are "judging all gays"?

I am asking you to show where you got the idea people are "judging all gays". Your 'point' is built upon that claim, but it turns out you invented the claim, and therefore have no point.
My initial claim was the contradiction of value. When an atheist posts about a priest molesting numerous children over decades, and it's coved up and the poster makes a critical claim about Christianity, it's usually seen as being intolerant of Christians. There were people here who were posting about this man doing it because he was gay and how this is an issue plaguing gay rights, who get upset when it's Christians held to the same scrutiny.

The parallel was then made between noting that the church (not just Catholics, mind you) does very little to address child sex abuse and how pointing this out as a flaw of religion is seen as judging all Christians when the claims made here are equally sweeping. If one is against one, they would have to be against the other, unless their reasoning is purely based on who's side you're on. Which would make them a hypocrite. I was asking if this seemed hypocritical. Does it?
 
Old 05-17-2016, 07:24 PM
 
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The parallel was then made between noting that the church (not just Catholics, mind you) does very little to address child sex abuse and how pointing this out as a flaw of religion is seen as judging all Christians when the claims made here are equally sweeping. If one is against one, they would have to be against the other, unless their reasoning is purely based on who's side you're on. Which would make them a hypocrite. I was asking if this seemed hypocritical. Does it?
The bolded part is what I think is a false claim.
 
Old 05-17-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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Basically this guy is very similar to "Christians" who love to proclaim they are persecuted for their faith. In his case he wanted to claim he was persecuted for his orientation. Since it was as much a lie as Christian "persecution" I put them all in the same camp of liars trying to enhance their own image. Neither are admirable in the least.
 
Old 05-17-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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The bolded part is what I think is a false claim.
Ok, then why did you respond to my initial post to argue against me?
 
Old 05-18-2016, 01:22 AM
 
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Being a money changer was not, and is not a sin.
Jesus agrees with you, He was mad about them making His Father's house a den of thieves.
 
Old 05-18-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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Ok, then why did you respond to my initial post to argue against me?
I responded by asking you to support your claim, which you failed to do. The failure led me to conclude it is a false claim.
 
Old 05-18-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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Jesus agrees with you, He was mad about them making His Father's house a den of thieves.
Correct, no one claimed changing money in itself was sinful.

Going to the bathroom is not sinful (or illegal) either, but if you do it on the altar of the temple, then the situation changes somewhat.
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