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To which ' hell ' are you referring? The non-biblical permanent religious-myth hell, or the Bible's temporary hell ( grave ) .
Many teach a religious-myth hell as being Scripture.
Does anyone righteous go to hell ? ______
The day Jesus' died Jesus went to the Bible's hell or temporary grave for the sleeping dead.- Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10
Jesus had access to knowledge about biblical hell because even by age 12 Jesus was already well educated in Scripture.
That is why Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures taught unconscious sleep in death:
- John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
I don't know. I don't have a version of hell.
Refer to whatever Vizio refers to as hell since that's the version I'm discussing with him.
What you are saying is, before Jesus arrived, God picked out some people and let them know that at some point in the future there would be a messiah, and purely because they possessed this preview knowledge, they would be saved. Those in further flung reaches of the earth (presumably those not living in the middle east at the time) who would not be in the correct vicinity to have access to this knowledge, would therefore be going to hell.
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So God created these people knowing they would not be let into this -need-to-know information and would just send them to hell anyway.
Yes. He knew they would rebel against him, and he is just in punishing them.
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Vizio you cannot hand on heart in all honesty believe that this is not the most absurd story.
Or are you going to say 'God works in mysterious ways'? Or some such?
I would suggest you read Romans 8-9. In chapter 9 specifically, Paul goes into detail to discuss that. God is sovereign and is just in doing what he wants with his Creation.
They knew of the promise that God gave Abraham. They were saved by trusting that God would make good on that promise. They did not know of the details of Jesus, nor did they need to know.
Yes, God's promise to Abraham was known:
* ALL families of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3
* ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 22:18
Jesus trusted God would make good of His promise.
Through Jesus there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
So, earth's nations will receive the benefit of being healed, and No one will say, " I am sick....." - Isaiah 33:24
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for healing on Earth - Revelation 22:2
Abraham and the rest listed at Hebrews chapter 11:13,39 are still awaiting God's promise for Earth.- Acts 24:15
God's promise starts with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
What you are saying is, before Jesus arrived, god picked out some people and let them know that at some point in the future there would be a messiah, and purely because they possessed this preview knowledge, they would be saved. Those in further flung reaches of the earth (presumably those not living in the middle east at the time) who would not be in the correct vicinity to have access to this knowledge, would therefore be going to hell.
So god created these people knowing they would not be let into this -need-to-know information and would just send them to hell anyway.
Vizio you cannot hand on heart in all honesty believe that this is not the most absurd story.
Or are you going to say 'God works in mysterious ways'? Or some such?
What if there was another premise that every living person on earth had at more than one time possessed this knowledge?
Certainly then that would dissolve any rational against it from your perspective, would it not ... or would it still be the fault of God for people drifting away from this knowledge, thus ultimately being accountable for ?
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Yes, that's the rationalization I was taught as well.
Should make you wonder what other tricks the Abrahamic God might have up his sleeves. Maybe Jesus wasn't really God but only a prophet, and maybe the Final Revelation from God is still sometime in the future.
Is it tricks from the Abrahamic God, or tricks from men especially clergy men. - Acts 20:29-30
False clergy teach Jesus as God when Scripture teaches Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.- Rev. 1:5; 3:14 B
Only God was before the beginning - Psalm 90:2 - so Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the start.
Absolutely right, the Final Revelation ( revealing) is definitely future. Such as Revelation 22:2
We are nearing the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 because the good news of God's kingdom has now been proclaimed on an international scale as never before in history.
We are also nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1st Thessalsonians 5:2-3 when they (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14
Then, the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:11,14-16; Jeremiah 25:31-33 - before Day One begins of Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth or earthly subjects - Psalms 72:8,12-14 -
when No one will say, " I am sick...." - Isaiah 33:24, and ' enemy death ' will be No more - 1st Corinthians 15:26
What if there was another premise that every living person on earth had at more than one time possessed this knowledge?
Certainly then that would dissolve any rational against it from your perspective, would it not ... or would it still be the fault of God for people drifting away from this knowledge, thus ultimately being accountable for ?
Wow, that's a new doctrine.
Is there a new edition of Luther's Small Catechism out on the market?
Yes. He knew they would rebel against him, and he is just in punishing them.
I would suggest you read Romans 8-9. In chapter 9 specifically, Paul goes into detail to discuss that. God is sovereign and is just in doing what he wants with his Creation.
Sovereign, and also quite stupid.
If you don't want rebellion, don't create rebellious creatures. Seems pretty simple.
I assume you mean faith in (just) God. Hindsight tells us that Jesus died for our sins. We still have faith in God, but now that Jesus provided a way for sinners to be redeemed, through Christ's redemptive work.
Yes. He knew they would rebel against him, and he is just in punishing them.
I would suggest you read Romans 8-9. In chapter 9 specifically, Paul goes into detail to discuss that. God is sovereign and is just in doing what he wants with his Creation.
That pretty much sums up the stupidity and viciousness of the psycho bible god that fundies worship.
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