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And that same Bible doesn't have any exclusions called pcamps.
What's more the same Bible says:
"whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point isguilty of breaking all of it."
So tell us how you (pcamps) expect not to be one of those hypocrites so others can be like you?
Its funny how the most judgmental people are always the first to accuse others of being judgmental. Pcamps is a prime example. I don't even bother with him anymore knowing he is only looking to argue and disrupt.
Maybe people are confused about what the Bible says about judging, because many situations require judgment. What is righteous judgment in Hannibals example? Is it righteous to allow the pastor to continue his sexual abuse in order to avoid being "judgmental", or is righteous to put a stop to it? Anyone with a fraction of common sense would stop it, while some others will insist that people should just condone it.
In hindsight, I think it's probably inevitable that those who believe that God holds people's sins against them, and that people will be punished by eternal separation (in some form) from God, would feel the need to punish people in the here and now. They are simply imitating their "father".
While I think it's a cruel practice to shun someone, or to expect family members to do so, perhaps it's the best thing that could happen to those who are being shunned in the long run. If they can find a way not to allow that treatment to make them bitter, at least they may find their way out from under the mentality that causes people to treat others in that way.
There is a huge difference between an active predator who feeds on the blood of the innocent.
And, that of shunning someone - because, they do not meet a particular standard of perfection.
In hindsight, I think it's probably inevitable that those who believe that God holds people's sins against them, and that people will be punished by eternal separation (in some form) from God, would feel the need to punish people in the here and now. They are simply imitating their "father".
While I think it's a cruel practice to shun someone, or to expect family members to do so, perhaps it's the best thing that could happen to those who are being shunned in the long run. If they can find a way not to allow that treatment to make them bitter, at least they may find their way out from under the mentality that causes people to treat others in that way.
I can't see many reasons for shunning anyone, you would have to be pretty bad like a child abuser or a sexual predator, and if a person is shunned for most of the stupid reasons they shun for nowadays, the yeah, they are way better off without that church anyway.
I couldn't tell you how many times I have been shunned and I take pride in it.
Possibly because he is not TRYing to keep the Law, just as the writer of that passage was urging us not to attempt?
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Apparently you don't bother reading what actually his reply is.
"if I see myself a sinner, I only end up judging in another what is really in me.." ~ pcamps
maybe its not a matter of " not TRYing to keep the Law" but more of a matter of
"TRYing NOT to see myself a sinner when I look at the Law".
His reply actually has nothing to do with the fact that you apparently completely missed what the writer of the passage you quoted was ytrying to convey.
No surprise, it's the message fundamentalists have missed all along.
I can't see many reasons for shunning anyone, you would have to be pretty bad like a child abuser or a sexual predator, and if a person is shunned for most of the stupid reasons they shun for nowadays, the yeah, they are way better off without that church anyway.
[b]I couldn't tell you how many times I have been shunned and I take pride in it.
That must have been hurtful, and I'm sorry that you've experienced it, pride or no.
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