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Why would it since Titus 3:5 teaches that God the Holy Spirit being the active person in the renewal of the person. And its the same God the Holy Spirit that inspired all of the Bible.
Therefore the two are not separable.
The renewed person by the God the Holy Spirit holds the Bible as the truth which comes from the same God the Holy Spirit.
Do you not see this post as using the Bible to prove the Bible claims?
What I read about what Jesus Christ in the scriptures had to say about our Heavenly Father resonated within me, brought me peace within, (which I couldn't explain to you even if you did believe me)and taught me to trust and rely on that peace within that passes all understanding.
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
I'll ask you what I asked twin.spin. Doesn't this presuppose the reliability of the Bible? If you agree, what caused you to presuppose this?
Not to speak for pcamps (who does quite well) but to answer your question from a different direction: No, it does not presuppose the reliability of the Bible, it supposes the reliability of the message by confirmation of our sense of how things work and how they ought to work. The Bible is just one of thew tools by which that message can be conveyed, and it has to be picked out of some obfuscation, but the person open to that realization, the person who CAN recognize that validity with the required honesty and information will discern it.
Not to speak for pcamps (who does quite well) but to answer your question from a different direction: No, it does not presuppose the reliability of the Bible, it supposes the reliability of the message by confirmation of our sense of how things work and how they ought to work. The Bible is just one of thew tools by which that message can be conveyed, and it has to be picked out of some obfuscation, but the person open to that realization, the person who CAN recognize that validity with the required honesty and information will discern it.
Not to speak for pcamps (who does quite well) but to answer your question from a different direction: No, it does not presuppose the reliability of the Bible, it supposes the reliability of the message by confirmation of our sense of how things work and how they ought to work. The Bible is just one of thew tools by which that message can be conveyed, and it has to be picked out of some obfuscation, but the person open to that realization, the person who CAN recognize that validity with the required honesty and information will discern it.
AmazingJohn, read my post again, I never said anything about the reliability of the scriptures.
Whatever comes in handy for conveying the message that concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation is the appropriate way to conduct community.
Whatever comes in handy for conveying the message that concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation is the appropriate way to conduct community.
Can you give some examples of what tools you feel are appropriate and effective? I'm sure that a number of people could come up with a number of different answers depending upon many different factors and contexts.
AmazingJohn, read my post again, I never said anything about the reliability of the scriptures.
It seems to me to that if you placed stock in what Jesus said in the Scriptures, you would need to consider the Scriptures reliable. Is that not the case?
A novel I once read put me on track to find what works for me and I can't even remember its name. I got a few directions from Tao Te Ching. William Penn's Fruits of Solitude is good. Different tools for different people leading to the same message.
A novel I once read put me on track to find what works for me and I can't even remember its name. I got a few directions from Tao Te Ching. William Penn's Fruits of Solitude is good. Different tools for different people leading to the same message.
I really don't have time to delve into these, so what specifically were the tools you found from these?
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