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Old 07-19-2016, 06:50 AM
 
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I didn't really understand this.


Can people really not sin?
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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What is a Prophet?

Many people today think of a prophet as any person who sees the future. While the gift of prophecy certainly includes the ability to see the future, a prophet is far more than just a person with that ability.

A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

The Hebrew word for a prophet, navi (Nun-Beit-Yod-Alef) comes from the term niv sefatayim meaning "fruit of the lips," which emphasizes the prophet's role as a speaker.

The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture. Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel.

A prophet is not necessarily a man. Scripture records the stories of seven female prophets, listed below, and the Talmud reports that Sarah's prophetic ability was superior to Abraham's.

A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22), although they were not as elevated as the prophets of Israel (as the story of Balaam demonstrates). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.

According to some views, prophecy is not a gift that is arbitrarily conferred upon people; rather, it is the culmination of a person's spiritual and ethical development. When a person reaches a sufficient level of spiritual and ethical achievement, the Shechinah (Divine Spirit) comes to rest upon him or her. Likewise, the gift of prophecy leaves the person if that person lapses from his or her spiritual and ethical perfection.

The greatest of the prophets was Moses. It is said that Moses saw all that all of the other prophets combined saw, and more. Moses saw the whole of the Torah, including the Prophets and the Writings that were written hundreds of years later. All subsequent prophecy was merely an expression of what Moses had already seen. Thus, it is taught that nothing in the Prophets or the Writings can be in conflict with Moses' writings, because Moses saw it all in advance.

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.

Who are the Prophets of the Jewish Scriptures?

The following list of prophets is based on the Talmud and Rashi.

Abraham Gen 11:26 - 25:10
Isaac Gen 21:1 - 35:29
Jacob Gen 25:21 - 49:33
Moses Ex. 2:1 - Deut. 34:5
Aaron Ex. 4:14 - Num. 33:39
Joshua Ex. 17:9 - 14, 24:13, 32:17 - 18, 33:11; Num. 11:28 - 29, 13:4 - 14:38; 27:18 - 27:23, Deut. 1:38, 3:28, 31:3, 31:7 -Joshua 24:29
Pinchas Ex. 6:25; Num. 25:7-25:11; Num. 31:6; Josh. 22:13 - Josh. 24:33; Judges 20:28
Elkanah I Samuel 1:1 - 2:20
Eli I Samuel 1:9 - 4:18
Samuel I Samuel 1:1 - I Samuel 25:1
Gad I Sam 22:5; II Sam 24:11-19; I Chron 21:9-21:19, 29:29
Nathan II Sam 7:2 - 17; 12:1 - 25.
David I Sam 16:1 - I Kings 2:11
Solomon II Sam 12:24; 1 Kings 1:10 - 11:43
Iddo II Chron 9:29, 12:15, 13:22
Michaiah son of Imlah I Kings 22:8-28; II Chron 18:7-27
Obadiah I Kings 18; Obadiah
Ahiyah the Shilonite I Kings 11:29-30; 12:15; 14:2-18; 15:29
Jehu son of Hanani I Kings 16:1 - 7; II Chron 19:2; 20:34
Azariah son of Oded II Chron 15
Jahaziel the Levite II Chron 20:14
Eliezer son of Dodavahu II Chron 20:37
Hosea Hosea
Amos Amos
Micah the Morashtite Micah
Amoz (the father of Isaiah)
Elijah I Kings 17:1 - 21:29; II Kings 1:10-2:15, 9:36-37, 10:10, 10:17
Elisha I Kings 19:16-19; II Kings 2:1-13:21
Jonah ben Amittai Jonah
Isaiah Isaiah
Joel Joel
Nahum Nahum
Habakkuk Habakkuk
Zephaniah Zephaniah
Uriah Jeremiah 26:20-23
Jeremiah Jeremiah
Ezekiel Ezekiel
Shemaiah I Kings 12:22-24; II Chron 11:2-4, 12:5-15
Barukh Jeremiah 32, 36, 43, 45
Neriah (father of Barukh)
Seraiah Jeremiah 51:61-64
Mehseiah (father of Neriah)
Haggai Haggai
Zechariah Zechariah
Malachi Malachi
Mordecai Bilshan Esther
Oded (father of Azariah)
Hanani (father of Jehu)
Female Prophets
Sarah Gen 11:29 - 23:20
Miriam Ex. 15:20-21; Num. 12:1-12:15, 20:1
Deborah Judges 4:1 - 5:31
Hannah I Sam 1:1 - 2:21
Abigail I Sam 25:1 - 25:42
Huldah II Kings 22:14-20
Esther Esther

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Why is Daniel Not a Prophet?

I am often asked why the Book of Daniel is included in the Writings section of the Tanakh instead of the Prophets section. Wasn't Daniel a prophet? Weren't his visions of the future true?

According to Judaism, Daniel is not one of the 55 prophets. His writings include visions of the future, which we believe to be true; however, his mission was not that of a prophet. His visions of the future were never intended to be proclaimed to the people; they were designed to be written down for future generations. Thus, they are Writings, not Prophecies, and are classified accordingly.
- Judaism 101: Prophets and Prophecy
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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Good post Richard.
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Old 07-19-2016, 11:07 AM
 
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Jesus said that Daniel was a prophet.
Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Case closed.
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Old 07-19-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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Good post Richard.
Thanks...
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Old 07-19-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Jesus said that Daniel was a prophet.
Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Case closed.
Yea, well whoever claimed that he said that, lied to you...Daniel's not a prophet and Christians can't come along all of a sudden and say that he is...He is part of the Jewish faith, Judaism, so we get to say what he is...And go read what a prophet is anyway....
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Old 07-19-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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Jesus said that Daniel was a prophet.
Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Case closed.
Besides, the Abomination spoken of is...Titus...Actually, the Abomination of Desolation is not used in Daniel...And they are two different abominations, not one....
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Old 07-19-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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Jesus said that Daniel was a prophet.
Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Case closed.
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Yea, well whoever claimed that he said that, lied to you...Daniel's not a prophet and Christians can't come along all of a sudden and say that he is...He is part of the Jewish faith, Judaism, so we get to say what he is...And go read what a prophet is anyway....
No, you don't. And Jesus was a Jew, as was the writer of the Gospel of Matthew.

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Old 07-19-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Yea, well whoever claimed that he said that, lied to you...Daniel's not a prophet and Christians can't come along all of a sudden and say that he is...He is part of the Jewish faith, Judaism, so we get to say what he is...And go read what a prophet is anyway....
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Besides, the Abomination spoken of is...Titus...Actually, the Abomination of Desolation is not used in Daniel...And they are two different abominations, not one....
No, the abomination of desolation which is indeed spoken of in Daniel 9:27 is not Titus. Even if it had been, which is wasn't, it would still be a prophesy written by Daniel the prophet, of an event in the future relative to Daniel's time. The abomination of desolation refers to the prince who is to come (Daniel 9:26), called the man of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2, seating himself in the temple during the last half of the Tribulation. Titus destroyed the temple. He didn't seat himself in the temple as God. But I've already been over this with you earlier in the thread. You will of course continue to deny it, and I won't waste my time arguing about it.
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Old 07-19-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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Yea, well whoever claimed that he said that, lied to you...Daniel's not a prophet and Christians can't come along all of a sudden and say that he is...He is part of the Jewish faith, Judaism, so we get to say what he is...And go read what a prophet is anyway....
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No, you don't. And Jesus was a Jew, as was the writer of the Gospel of Matthew.
Thank you!

Richard is right about one thing, some one is lying. I don't think it's Matthew.
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