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zthatzmanz28 responded with a list which includes
3 actions by Jesus
a list of 21 random things not responsive to Finn's question.
The inclusion of a few government programs apparently set Finn off on a favorite soapbox to explain how govern programs do not represent love of any kind.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Practically everything on your list are government services paid for by everyone, even those who oppose them to tooth and nail. They don't do it out of love, they do it because they are forced to. If you personally clothe the poor, and do it willingly, and motivated by love, then it is an act of love and a 'good work'.
The reply by nateswift practically ignored what Finn replied in nearly every detail.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
So, if supporting such actions is an act of love, what is opposing them tooth and nail?
Therefore Finn's response was entirely appropriate.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Read again, in order to understand what was said.
Most of the exchange looks to be an example of everyone talking and nobody doing much listening.
zthatzmanz28 responded with a list which includes
3 actions by Jesus
a list of 21 random things not responsive to Finn's question.
The inclusion of a few government programs apparently set Finn off on a favorite soapbox to explain how govern programs do not represent love of any kind.
The reply by nateswift practically ignored what Finn replied in nearly every detail.
Therefore Finn's response was entirely appropriate.
Most of the exchange looks to be an example of everyone talking and nobody doing much listening.
I did not ignore what Finn said in any way. His point was that government programs require even the unwilling to participate, but my point is that zthatzmanz considered them acts of love, and they are certainly about concern for the well-being of the recipients. regardless of how effective or efficient they may be. So, it would appear to me that supporting such programs IS an act of love and those who oppose them "tooth and nail" are only acting out of self-nterest when the objective is to end the programs rather than find ways to make them more effective.
zthatzmanz knew what he was doing when he tweaked Finn's prejudice.
I did not ignore what Finn said in any way. His point was that government programs require even the unwilling to participate, but my point is that zthatzmanz considered them acts of love, and they are certainly about concern for the well-being of the recipients. regardless of how effective or efficient they may be. So, it would appear to me that supporting such programs IS an act of love and those who oppose them "tooth and nail" are only acting out of self-nterest when the objective is to end the programs rather than find ways to make them more effective.
zthatzmanz knew what he was doing when he tweaked Finn's prejudice.
zthatzmanz28 responded with a list which includes
3 actions by Jesus
a list of 21 random things not responsive to Finn's question.
The inclusion of a few government programs apparently set Finn off on a favorite soapbox to explain how govern programs do not represent love of any kind.
The reply by nateswift practically ignored what Finn replied in nearly every detail.
Therefore Finn's response was entirely appropriate.
Most of the exchange looks to be an example of everyone talking and nobody doing much listening.
At least a certain SOMEONE is not listening, eh? What is that about using the foolish to confound those who think they are wise?
I did not ignore what Finn said in any way. His point was that government programs require even the unwilling to participate, but my point is that zthatzmanz considered them acts of love, and they are certainly about concern for the well-being of the recipients. regardless of how effective or efficient they may be. So, it would appear to me that supporting such programs IS an act of love and those who oppose them "tooth and nail" are only acting out of self-nterest when the objective is to end the programs rather than find ways to make them more effective.
zthatzmanz knew what he was doing when he tweaked Finn's prejudice.
You are free to consider Jimmy Carter, police departments, abortion and socialist roads an 'act of love' is you wish. Some might agree, some might disagree. Everyone is welcome to their personal opinions. You might even want to open a thread about the glory of government programs.
You are free to consider Jimmy Carter, police departments, abortion and socialist roads an 'act of love' is you wish. Some might agree, some might disagree. Everyone is welcome to their personal opinions. You might even want to open a thread about the glory of government programs.
Indeed, call it the MARVELS of COOPERATION, or HOW SOCIALISM BUILT A CHRISTIAN (CAPITALISTIC) NATION...
You are free to consider Jimmy Carter, police departments, abortion and socialist roads an 'act of love' is you wish. Some might agree, some might disagree. Everyone is welcome to their personal opinions. You might even want to open a thread about the glory of government programs.
True enough, Finn, but the question raised was WHY they might disagree.
How does one become a people hater and a bible lover?
Not quite the same as a people LOVER and a JESUS LOVER is it?
To paraphrase--One can love Jesus or the bible, but one cannot love both...
By that I mean someone who OPPOSES the common GOOD and promotes GREED, WAR and ALL ABOUT ME attitude?
Was this part of Christ's message? Pretty sure it was not included in the Beatitudes?
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