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It’s not a reference to that which is Eternal (aidios), having no beginning or end. Furthermore, the words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Neither, will you find the term(s) aidios timorion. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin ) or torment beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of aionion (αἰώνιον/period of time, as in an age) kalasin (Κόλασιν/punishment - chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with punishment.
I call that problematic?
I call your argument unconvincing. All I see is just someone who doesn't want to believe in unhappy endings for anybody ever. I see that as a refusal of life and responsibility for life to the fullest includes making choices that matter. I think that makes it unavoidable that we can also choose against life itself.
I call your argument unconvincing. All I see is just someone who doesn't want to believe in unhappy endings for anybody ever. I see that as a refusal of life and responsibility for life to the fullest includes making choices that matter. I think that makes it unavoidable that we can also choose against life itself.
If you intellectually choose not to experience life, that's your choice. As for what the Bible says, I was merely giving you the correct translation. Take from it what you will - and disregard the rest, for me: Heaven and hell are merely two inflectional points on the path which all life walks called - life and death.
If you intellectually choose not to experience life, that's your choice. As for what the Bible says, I was merely giving you the correct translation. Take from it what you will - and disregard the rest, for me: Heaven and hell are merely two inflectional points on the path which all life walks called - life and death.
You might say, it's a turning point.
The correct way to say the mathematical part is that the point between heaven and hell is an inflection point. Heaven and hell themselves are attractors. The more you eliminate the habits of sin the more freedom you have to fight against it. The more you give in to the habits of sin the more it enslaves you. The inflection is the turning point which is between the two attractors.
If you intellectually choose not to experience life, that's your choice. As for what the Bible says, I was merely giving you the correct translation. Take from it what you will - and disregard the rest, for me: Heaven and hell are merely two inflectional points on the path which all life walks called - life and death.
You might say, it's a turning point.
Isn't the real turning point when enemy ' death ' will be No more ever again _______ - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
We can choose life according to Deuteronomy 30:19. Choose eternal life as Jesus promised that the humble meek would inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5. - Psalm 37:10-11,29; Proverbs 2:21-22
So, according to Jesus life does Not necessarily equate to heaven but living forever right here on a beautiful paradisical Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall. Because it is Adam's downfall and Not ours is why Jesus' ransom gives us the opportunity to gain everlasting life on Earth starting with Day One of Jesus millennial reign over Earth.
OP: Interesting post and you make a good point. You're right to a degree. The Bible says, that "no eye seen, or ear heard, or mind conceived what God has prepared for his people. But we do know a few things. Suffering, pain, evil, death, will be gone. We will have resurrected perfect bodies. We will be with Jesus. Other than that, we'll be so happy to be in a great place, far better than this life, who's going to complain?
If you intellectually choose not to experience life, that's your choice. As for what the Bible says, I was merely giving you the correct translation. Take from it what you will - and disregard the rest, for me: Heaven and hell are merely two inflectional points on the path which all life walks called - life and death.
You might say, it's a turning point.
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Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
The correct way to say the mathematical part is that the point between heaven and hell is an inflection point. Heaven and hell themselves are attractors. The more you eliminate the habits of sin the more freedom you have to fight against it. The more you give in to the habits of sin the more it enslaves you. The inflection is the turning point which is between the two attractors.
Not a problem, I wasn't writing a thesis, nor looking for it to evolve into that of sin conscious.
Isn't the real turning point when enemy ' death ' will be No more ever again _______ - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
We can choose life according to Deuteronomy 30:19. Choose eternal life as Jesus promised that the humble meek would inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5. - Psalm 37:10-11,29; Proverbs 2:21-22
So, according to Jesus life does Not necessarily equate to heaven but living forever right here on a beautiful paradisical Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall. Because it is Adam's downfall and Not ours is why Jesus' ransom gives us the opportunity to gain everlasting life on Earth starting with Day One of Jesus millennial reign over Earth.
What you think about is the atmosphere you create around yourself.
However, I do not believe, I will remain as I AM once the physical dies.
OP: Interesting post and you make a good point. You're right to a degree. The Bible says, that "no eye seen, or ear heard, or mind conceived what God has prepared for his people. But we do know a few things. Suffering, pain, evil, death, will be gone. We will have resurrected perfect bodies. We will be with Jesus. Other than that, we'll be so happy to be in a great place, far better than this life, who's going to complain?
However, I do not believe, I will remain as I AM once the physical dies.
Apparently faithful Job did Not believe he would remain as he was once the physical died - Job 33:25
Job looked forward to a future physical resurrection when his flesh would be fresher than in childhood - Job 33:25,
and so did the prophet Daniel looked forward to being awakened from death's deep sleep - Daniel 12:2,13
Since there will be healing for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2, then mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of earth's nations under Christ's millennial reign over Earth when there 'will be '(future tense) a resurrection ........- Acts 24:15
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