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Old 07-28-2016, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Do you understand the PURPOSE of the cross, not man's interpretation?
Yes, I do. Do you?
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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My silence is because I did not see your request. I understand the cross.
Please read it, takes about 20 minutes.
If you are not interested, no problem.


It's totally up to you.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Do you understand the PURPOSE of the cross, not man's interpretation?
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Old 07-29-2016, 02:26 AM
 
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Oh, come on Jimmiej don't you want to read an long article by someone who writes for the Huffington Post (known for their groundbreaking Biblical scholars) and has a masters in divinity from a seminary in Berkeley, Cali that is in with a joint collective that includes Jesuits, Lutherans, and Unitarian Universalists (who believe any path leads to G-d)?

Seriously, it does explain a lot. Like how he arrived at doing away with the cross, even though the word says that it is foolishness to them that perish. Peace
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Old 07-29-2016, 04:44 AM
 
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Of course not, just like you, jimmiej already knows everything. So what if that indicates that God is vicious? That's God's prerogative and who are we to question?
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Old 07-29-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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Yes, I do. Do you?


In a very understandable message--

“No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”

“Why did Jesus die on a cross?”

Jesus died on the cross because he offended those in power.

Jesus died on a cross because he challenged the status quo.

Jesus died on a cross because love would not sit silently by as those who had little were being stepped on, used, and abused by those who had so very much.

“Why did Jesus die on a cross?”

Jesus died on a cross to show us what love looks like in action.


AND



5. The reason behind the sacrifice—mankind’s original sin—makes no sense. Why blame Adam for a moral lapse that he couldn’t even understand? Remember that he hadn’t yet eaten the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, so who could blame him when he made a moral mistake?

And how can we inherit original sin from Adam? Why blame us for something we didn’t do? That’s not justice, and the Bible agrees:

Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin (Deut. 24:16)

10 reasons why the crucifixion makes story no sense
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Old 07-29-2016, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Oh, come on Jimmiej don't you want to read an long article by someone who writes for the Huffington Post (known for their groundbreaking Biblical scholars) and has a masters in divinity from a seminary in Berkeley, Cali that is in with a joint collective that includes Jesuits, Lutherans, and Unitarian Universalists (who believe any path leads to G-d)?

Seriously, it does explain a lot. Like how he arrived at doing away with the cross, even though the word says that it is foolishness to them that perish. Peace
Exactly. I've read this nonsense before. No need to waste 20 minutes. Anyways, I need to do my morning Bible study.

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Of course not, just like you, jimmiej already knows everything. So what if that indicates that God is vicious? That's God's prerogative and who are we to question?
I do not know everything, never claimed to. Do you? I have however determined that substitutionary atonement is Biblical.
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Old 07-29-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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Here's why I believe substitutionary atonement:

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

“He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed” (1 Peter 2:24).

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.” (Isaiah 53:5)

26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.” (Matt. 26)
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Old 07-29-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Here's why I believe substitutionary atonement:

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

“He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed” (1 Peter 2:24).

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.” (Isaiah 53:5)

26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.” (Matt. 26)
All of which apply to the idea that Jesus invalidated the LAW as basis for judgement by being brutally executed under the Law though completely innocent Himself.


AND that idea does not make God out to be a monster.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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All of which apply to the idea that Jesus invalidated the LAW as basis for judgement by being brutally executed under the Law though completely innocent Himself.
Not sure I understand what you're saying, but isn't that explained in 2 Cor. 5:21?
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