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Old 09-21-2016, 05:46 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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and yet NO ONE is perfect? Suppose that explains the lack of love...
No on is morally perfect. No one is theologically perfect. God has made us spiritually perfect when He sanctified us and that is all that matters.

Heb 10:10 - By this will we have been sanctified by the offering of of the body, once for all.
Heb 10:14 - For by one offering He has perfected for all time, those who are sanctified.

Our hope in Jesus purifies us(spiritually speaking) as Jesus is pure---I Jn 3:2.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Crickets, Why am I not getting an answer, are we not all that sure of "the path to salvation?"
It's funny how you quote me explaining it several times and still claim you are not getting an answer. Its a classic Nateswift "argue for the sake of arguing" post.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No on is morally perfect. No one is theologically perfect. God has made us spiritually perfect when He sanctified us and that is all that matters.

Heb 10:10 - By this will we have been sanctified by the offering of of the body, once for all.
Heb 10:14 - For by one offering He has perfected for all time, those who are sanctified.

Our hope in Jesus purifies us(spiritually speaking) as Jesus is pure---I Jn 3:2.
No one was able to keep the law of Moses. As a matter of fact, it showed people that it is impossible to do so.

Additionally, the Bible teaches this: "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law"

and then explains how we are made righteous: "righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile"

So, anyone who makes a priority of trying to keep the law is on the wrong track.
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Not love, accepting Jesus for who He said he was.
In what way do you think those who performed miracles "in (His) name" failed in that regard so that they were rejected?
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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It is not a commitment, it is a surrender by becoming Jesus' bond servant.
The difference is????
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I can't believe you said that. The Bible is full of verse saying if we believe in Jesus we will have eternal life. Where do you think this life will be?
Once again, how do those who did the miracles in His name fail in this requirement?
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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It's funny how you quote me explaining it several times and still claim you are not getting an answer. Its a classic Nateswift "argue for the sake of arguing" post.
The reason I asked is that your "explanations" were semantically null. They are just religious buzz words and needed to be explained in terms that actually mean something. Did you miss the fact that I asked you to do so?
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Bible is full of verse saying if we believe in Jesus we will have eternal life.
Rejecting this is same as rejecting the Gospel.
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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the whole passage gives some clues; they are a group--"we." Surely they thought, or at least advertised, that they believed in Christ?

15“Beware of false prophetst who come to you in sheep’su clothingv but inwardly are ravaging wolves.w 16You’ll recognize them by their fruit.x Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?y 17In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.z 20So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.aa

21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,ab but only the one who does the willac of My Father in heaven.ad 22On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demonsae in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’af 23Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’ag,ah,ai

The Two Foundations

24“Therefore,aj everyone who hears these wordsak of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain fell, the rivers rose, and the winds blew and pounded that house. Yet it didn’t collapse, because its foundation was on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of Mine and doesn’t act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27The rain fell, the rivers rose, the winds blew and pounded that house, and it collapsed. And its collapse was great! ”

so, even though they purported to be about Christ, their foundation was not Christ. They call themselves Christians, surely. They claim the works done by what we would call pastors, it seems.
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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they appear to be Christians outwardly, but they are "ravaging wolves."
You will know them by their fruit is said twice, for a witness.
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