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The Holy Bible condemns women who enjoy sex; God sends them to eternal hellfire. If you're not in your fertile period of the month make any excuses you have to to avoid engaging in it with him."
I think You're reading way more into Jesus' words than is warranted based on the context (which was divorce by the way) as Wardendresden will probably show you soon. Warden already showed that God said He would have given David more wives if he wanted so to say Gods intent was always just one man and one woman is questionable and to imply anything outside of it is always a sin is just biblical nonsense.
God original plan for marriage was for one man one woman union. Even with King Solomon and King David they did suffer the consequences of polygamous relationships. With King Solomon, this caused him to turn follow other Gods of his foreign pagan wives. King Solomon married pagan woman and that is contrast to scripture where one should not be equally yoked with unbelievers.
Even so the consequences for even Abraham taking another wife is still being felt today as the Jews are directly linked to Sarah and her son Isaac and the Arabs are directly linked to Hagar and her son Ishmael.
Even so the Bible does not condemn polygamy, but the Lord does present that a monogamous relationship is the best type of marriage.
The New Testament states that those in Church leadership to have only one wife 1 Timothy 3:2 and 12 and in Titus 1:6, and is not just referring to those that are divorced.
God original plan for marriage was for one man one woman union. Even with King Solomon and King David they did suffer the consequences of polygamous relationships. With King Solomon, this caused him to turn follow other Gods of his foreign pagan wives. King Solomon married pagan woman and that is contrast to scripture where one should not be equally yoked with unbelievers.
Even so the consequences for even Abraham taking another wife is still being felt today as the Jews are directly linked to Sarah and her son Isaac and the Arabs are directly linked to Hagar and her son Ishmael.
Even so the Bible does not condemn polygamy, but the Lord does present that a monogamous relationship is the best type of marriage.
The New Testament states that those in Church leadership to have only one wife 1 Timothy 3:2 and 12 and in Titus 1:6, and is not just referring to those that are divorced.
Ok as long as you understand that this is not proof of "anything outside monogamous marriage model is Sin" since this still doesn't make any sense considering what God said to David and several other reasons I rather not get into at the moment. Based on what is said, I suppose it is possible that monogamy MIGHT have been God's 'preference' but even if it was, that doesn't mean that makes anything outside of it a biblical sin. There were plenty of old testament polygamists that suffered no consequences at all and king Solomon is a poor example anyways because he had 700 wives and 300 concubines! ;p Also...how do you know Timothy and Titus are not just referring to divorced people? These are probably mostly Hellenized Jews they are speaking to so polygamy is already long out of style.
Remember in the end times, lawlessness will become the norm, haters of all that is good, evil will be looked at as good and goodness will be seen as evil. Godly people will be looked at as evil haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our Eyes need to be open wide!!!
The bible does not teach that sex is wrong, only that it should be between a man and wife. Holy Union, even Sarah got enjoyment in her advanced years. Shall I have pleasure--------------.
So the rise of porn is just another indicator for "end of times" madness?
It is certainly so much easier to access, than just a sneaky hidden VHS video back in the day.
FWIW as a middle aged man, with my wife for over 20 years and adult kids, it is as boring as hell to watch.
But for a young Christian who is celibate, I can fully understand the fascination.
Secular people who have no such restrictions, may even watch it as a couple to get more ideas etc.
Certainly its usage means little to me, but like anything it can be a problem and a vice for some.
I think we just received some insight into the social environment that produced Thrill and his views, Pleroo.
OMG! You can't really be this naive, can you, Mystic? But then it's not your fault as Christians are very sheltered and don't see the world except through their rose-colored glasses. Also, I have a few years on you so I've seen a hell of a lot more of the ugly side of life--like mothers who do tell their daughters "Sex is dirty."
Ok as long as you understand that this is not proof of "anything outside monogamous marriage model is Sin" since this still doesn't make any sense considering what God said to David and several other reasons I rather not get into at the moment. Based on what is said, I suppose it is possible that monogamy MIGHT have been God's 'preference' but even if it was, that doesn't mean that makes anything outside of it a biblical sin. There were plenty of old testament polygamists that suffered no consequences at all and king Solomon is a poor example anyways because he had 700 wives and 300 concubines! ;p Also...how do you know Timothy and Titus are not just referring to divorced people? These are probably mostly Hellenized Jews they are speaking to so polygamy is already long out of style.
The bible never stated: “No man should have more than one wife" and even so the scriptures never spoke very positively of polygamist relationships due to the problems encountered there. More examples are of Jacob with his wives of Rachel jealousy of Leah, and the bitterness between them. Plus Jospeh being betrayed and sold a slave by his half brothers.
Yet in ancient societies it was preferable for a woman to be in a polygamist relationship with a man than remain unmarried.
The new testament has instructions of marriage and when Paul writes in the singularterm for marriage and that is consistent throughout the new testament. Paul was a pharisee and was very much educated under the Torah and knew very well of Jewish law.
In Ephesians 5:25–33 also has instructions for Christian husbands and wives and especially refers to Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
God intended for a man to have only one wife. God intended to make a helper out of Adam, not several helpers.
Timothy an Titus were talking about marriage, not just for divorced or marriage breakups.
When God created the institution of marriage it was meant for life. Yet the Lord hates divorce and it came to be due to the hardening of the heart. When Jesus states the only good reason for divorce is due to sexual immorality (Matt 5:31-32). The word “immorality” is from the Greek word “porneia” which covers many things like, “illicit sexual intercourse, adultery, homosexuality, intercourse with animals, and with a close relative (Lev 18)”.
I think we just received some insight into the social environment that produced Thrill and his views, Pleroo.
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte
OMG! You can't really be this naive, can you, Mystic? But then it's not your fault as Christians are very sheltered and don't see the world except through their rose-colored glasses. Also, I have a few years on you so I've seen a hell of a lot more of the ugly side of life--like mothers who do tell their daughters "Sex is dirty."
I left naive' well over 77 years ago, Thrill. How old do you think I am???
I left naive' well over 77 years ago, Thrill. How old do you think I am???
OMG! Again! If you're that old and still falling for this stuff then there's no hope. All I can say is, "Good luck, Mystic."
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