What Does the Greek REALLY Say? (scriptures, sin, Jesus, translation)

[JViello]

I see the Greek language tossed around with much carelesness here - especially when trying to prove a specific point.

Literal English translations used, lexicons etc etc.

So to all those who live and die by the Greek and often teach "Greek meanings" I offer a challenge.

Translate this:

http://www.ctchristians.com/personal02/forum/greek-text.gif (broken link)

I am specifically targeting those CU folks on the board who banter about with "greek" and tell us our scripture doesn't say what it says. So if you are just a random person here who knows Greek, please let some of the Universalist folks reply first before translating. Thanks.

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by JViello

I see the Greek language tossed around with much carelesness here - especially when trying to prove a specific point.

Literal English translations used, lexicons etc etc.

So to all those who live and die by the Greek and often teach "Greek meanings" I offer a challenge.

Translate this:

http://www.ctchristians.com/personal02/forum/greek-text.gif (broken link)

I am specifically targeting those CU folks on the board who banter about with "greek" and tell us our scripture doesn't say what it says. So if you are just a random person here who knows Greek, please let some of the Universalist folks reply first before translating. Thanks.

What a wonderful chapter that begins with "Nothing (not one thing), consequently [is], now condemnation (a judging which puts us down) for those (to the one's; in those) within Christ Jesus!

And ends with the whole of created life (the ktisis) being delivered from the tyranny/ slavery to sin into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Yep, the whole of created life shall be delivered. What wonderful words of life!

[Bart0415]

I am Greek and I will try to respond:

"Therefore, there should now be no condemnation to those that walk within Christ Jesus, not in the flesh but in spirit"

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Oh... I thought I was gonna order a gyro.

Greek Festival this weekend!!

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Bart0415

I am Greek and I will try to respond:

"Therefore, there should now be no condemnation to those that walk within Christ Jesus, not in the flesh but in spirit"

Quick-reputation

Thanks for the post!

[JViello]

Anyone else?

[JViello]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

What a wonderful chapter that begins with "Nothing (not one thing), consequently [is], now condemnation (a judging which puts us down) for those (to the one's; in those) within Christ Jesus!

And ends with the whole of created life (the ktisis) being delivered from the tyranny/ slavery to sin into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Yep, the whole of created life shall be delivered. What wonderful words of life!

Did YOU translate that or did someone do it for you? Honest answer please.

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by JViello

Did YOU translate that or did someone do it for you? Honest answer please.

Of course not: it was a lucky guess. Let me repeat what has already been disclosed to you earlier in the week...

I have zero knowledge of Greek, Hebrew, and very little English & French. I did however have a Greek girlfriend, and we watched My Big Fat Greek Wedding together. Does that count?

[JViello]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Quick-reputation

Thanks for the post!

Ditto...

[JViello]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

Of course not: it was a lucky guess. Let me repeat what has already been disclosed to you earlier in the week...

So you admit again, that you can not speak, read or write Greek?

How then do you then propose that you are an expert on the Greek scriptures? What if you are wrong?