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amen. I think religion is the other side of the coin of politics, the blind leading the blind, fence-sitters all, and will kill you if you do not escape it. Unless some religion has sprung up that i am unaware of that actually directs people to do what Christ said, and has no interest in your money, which has no place in Church.
I have my ideas on this, they may not be your ideas, but you have as much right to your opinion as I do.
So, to make my ideas more interesting I will use the Bible as a reference book.
Everything that the Bible condemns, and is still in your religion, makes that religion non Christian, IMO.
I would appreciate your comments on this subject matter.
This is one of the most hotly debated issues in Christian history. Kicking other people out of the Body of Christ for disagreeing with them is one of Christianity's truly bizarre attributes. We must seem very strange to non-Christians. Running around, arguing and constantly damning each other to burn in hell for eternity.
The Bible is helpful, but there's lots of ways to interpret just about every passage, so you can't really nail things down with the Bible alone. And there is no reason to expect that the Bible got everything right or that it got translated and transcribed correctly over the centuries. There are also many questions that the Bible never actually addresses. For example, is God a Trinity of three persons bound into one being or is it three persons and three beings all united as one Godhead? The Bible doesn't really say much about this, even though nitpicky orthodoxy regarding the detailed description of the Trinity has been one of the biggest bases used to disassociate and excommunicate people from Christianity enmasse. Using the Bible as your only measuring stick is problematic and there are plenty of people willing to make judgments of another person's Christianity based on things they think the Bible says but that it doesn't actually specify.
I think of the word "Christian" in very broad terms. Anyone accepting Jesus as the Messiah and divine is Christian. Anyone who does not, is not a Christian.
This is one of the most hotly debated issues in Christian history. Kicking other people out of the Body of Christ for disagreeing with them is one of Christianity's truly bizarre attributes. We must seem very strange to non-Christians. Running around, arguing and constantly damning each other to burn in hell for eternity.
The Bible is helpful, but there's lots of ways to interpret just about every passage, so you can't really nail things down with the Bible alone. And there is no reason to expect that the Bible got everything right or that it got translated and transcribed correctly over the centuries. There are also many questions that the Bible never actually addresses. For example, is God a Trinity of three persons bound into one being or is it three persons and three beings all united as one Godhead? The Bible doesn't really say much about this, even though nitpicky orthodoxy regarding the detailed description of the Trinity has been one of the biggest bases used to disassociate and excommunicate people from Christianity enmasse. Using the Bible as your only measuring stick is problematic and there are plenty of people willing to make judgments of another person's Christianity based on things they think the Bible says but that it doesn't actually specify.
I think of the word "Christian" in very broad terms. Anyone accepting Jesus as the Messiah and divine is Christian. Anyone who does not, is not a Christian.
nice. I'm convinced that the Bible is a Book of questions, which is why anything you can "prove" with one passage, or three, the opposite idea can also be "proven."
If they say jewelry wearing is taking more people to hell then gay marriages----1 Peter 3:3.
If they say a pagan holiday honored is taking more people to hell then drunk driving----John 4:24.
If they say rest on Saturday is taking more people to hell then pornography---Hebews 4.
If they say women pastors is taking more people to hell then abortion---1 Timothy 2.
If they say pagan godhead theology is taking more people to hell then polygamy----John 8:24.
If they say water baptism is taking more people to hell then evolution----John 3:5.
If they say flag worship is taking more people to hell then prostitution----John 4:24.
If they say raising a family on poverty income is taking more people to hell then stealing----1 Tim. 5:8.
If they say short cuts is taking more people to hell then animal offerings today---Matthew 5:17-20.
If they say self wisdom is taking more people to hell then judging people----2 Peter 1:20-21.
If they say silence is taking more people to hell then swearing---James 5:20.
If they say cowards is taking more people to hell then malice----2 Timothy 3:16.
If they say marriage to divorced people is taking more people to hell then dope---Romans 7:2-3.
If they say the wrong parties is taking more people to hell then cheating----1 Peter 4:1-4.
If they say the wrong recruiting is taking more people to hell then slothfulness---Matthew 7:6.
If they say defending your family with a gun is taking more people to hell then
idolatry----Romans 12:17.
If they say grammar edit bibles is taking more people to hell then suicide---Revelation 22:18-19.
If they say loyalty to any ministry is taking more people to hell then false
accusations-----Matthew 15:14.
If they say support to any ministry is taking more people to hell then jealousy---Galations 1:8-9.
If they say dinosaur expertise is taking more people to hell then atheism----1 Timothy 6:20.
If they say ignorance is taking more people to hell then arrogance---2 Timothy 2:15.
If they say tolerance is taking more people to hell then deceit----Titus 3:10.
If they say the wrong friends is taking more people to hell then pride----2 Cor. 6.
If they say love of family too much is taking more people to hell then control---Matthew 10:34-37.
If they say unsubmissive wives is taking more people to hell then rebellion
children----Ephesians 5:22-23.
If they say phony unity is taking more people to hell then unforgiveness---Amos 3:3.
If they say risky mortgages is taking more people to hell then complaining----1 Timothy 6.
If they say the wrong prayer list is taking more people to hell then hypocrisy---John 17:9.
If they say inferiority is taking more people to hell then doublemindedness----1 John 2:27.
If they say the liked life is taking more people to hell then alcohol----Luke 6:26.
If they say alcohol is taking more people to hell then getting drunk---Proverbs 20:1.
If they say barely hated is taking more people to hell then cussing----Matthew 10:22.
If they say tongue regulations is taking more people to hell then dirty jokes-----1 Cor. 14.
If they say long hair on a man is taking more people to hell then child neglect----1 Cor. 11.
If they say women w/o head coverings is taking more people to hell then filthy
lucre-----1 Cor. 11.
If they say supporting bums will take more people to hell then greed----2 Thess. 3:10.
If they say phony intimacy will take more people to hell then perjury----1 Thess. 5:12.
If they say begging too much will take more people to hell then kidnapping----1 Cor. 9:18.
If they say treasures of people will take more of them to hell then hasty behavior---1 Cor. 9:14.
If they say asking a work boss for a raise will take more people to hell then busybody
behavior-----Luke 3:14.
If they say being ashamed of Jesus will take more people to hell then doing their alms to
men----Luke 14:23.
If they say liberal grace theology will take more people to hell then making circumcision
application today----Romans 6:1.
If they say man subject to man church government is taking more people to hell then
taking a money bribe----Romans 13:1.
If they say deceiving testimonies is taking more people to hell then sex trafficking
today---Matthew 7:21-24.
If they say eulogies with a heaven for people will take more people to hell then insurance
fraud----Psalms 107:2.
If they say the wrong mentor will take more people to hell then being a hired hitman
today----Psalms 1.
If they say many faiths in Jesus to advertise media for Jesus will take more people to hell
then changing your gender as a man or woman----Ephesians 4:5.
If they say 90% change for Jesus only will take more people to hell then poisoning people's
food----2 Cor. 5:17.
If they say wealth efforts without modesty will take more people to hell then sex before
marriage----Luke 12:15.
If they say mocking eunichs will take more people to hell then wrong anger----1 Cor. 7.
If they say marriage to young widow women will take more people to hell then repeat
crimes with the law----1 Timothy 5:9.
If they say assumption is taking more people to hell then intentions-----John 5:39.
If they say excellence is taking more people to hell then giving up hope----1 Cor. 8:2.
Trust that the wisdom of God is bringing 100% bible believers together ONLY for real Jesus
establishing churches outside of this forum.
Amos 3:3 is no joke to a John 8:31 child of God.
Only a joke to a John 8:44 child of the devil.
Psalms 133:1 is no joke to a John 8:31 child of God.
Only a joke to a John 8:44 child of the devil.
Matthew 4:4 is no joke to a John 8:31 child of God.
Only a joke to a John 8:44 child of the devil.
2 Timothy 3:16 is no joke to a John 8:31 child of God.
Only a joke to a John 8:44 child of the devil.
Matthew 5:17-20 is no child game to a John 8:31 child of God.
Only a child game to a John 8:44 child of the devil.
If all no joke jewelry wearing no joke----1 Peter 3:3.
If agree no joke rest on Saturday no joke----Hebrews 4.
If unity no joke long hair on men no joke----1 Cor. 11.
If every no joke water baptism no joke----John 3:5.
If least no joke risk mortgages no joke----1 Timothy 6.
If hate no joke women pastors no joke----1 Timothy 2.
If tithing no joke unruly tongues no joke----1 Cor. 14.
If pornography no joke marriage to divorced people no joke----Romans 7:2-3.
If abortion no joke defending your family with a gun is no joke-----Romans 12:17.
If the 10 commandments no joke all the bible no joke----Matthew 5:17-20.
If too strict no joke self wisdom no joke------2 Peter 1:20-21.
If polygamy no joke grammar edit bibles no joke-----Revelation 22:18-19.
If gay marriage no joke unsubmissive wives no joke-----Ephesians 5:22-23.
If evolution no joke dinosaur expertise no joke----1 Timothy 6:20.
If atheism no joke pagan godhead theology no joke----John 8:24.
If forgiveness no joke through grace teaching no joke----Romans 6:1.
If wisdom no joke then God wisdom no joke----1 Cor. 1:25.
If confession no joke then reality no joke----Jeremiah 17:9.
If vision no joke then divine planning no joke----Jeremiah 10:23.
If truth no joke then truth enough no joke----Isaiah 64:6.
If hearing God no joke then his way of doing it no joke-----Romans 10:17.
I would not go as far as you and claim that anything you do that the Bible condemns means you are non Christian.
Acts 11: 26 ... And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The early disciples were wrong on a lot of things, some of which is still going on today. Yet God still named them Christians. It is only one religion, and only one church.
and I can't wait until you say that to their face.. how does that go about logs in eyes ?
I have my ideas on this, they may not be your ideas, but you have as much right to your opinion as I do.
So, to make my ideas more interesting I will use the Bible as a reference book.
Everything that the Bible condemns, and is still in your religion, makes that religion non Christian, IMO.
I would appreciate your comments on this subject matter.
The Bible doesn't have a single accepted interpretation in all matters. Every offered interpretation is someone's subjective personal opinion to an extent, by definition.
What is the unpardonable sin? Is there free will, or are we predestined? Is there a separate experience of infilling by the Holy Spirit? On this and many more questions there is not universal agreement by people of the Book.
To your point, attempts have been made into the past to codify dogma into creeds which one must subscribe to in order to be considered Christian. Aside from the differences between creeds, there are some who feel none of the creeds are sufficient by themselves.
I think it's pretty clear that, e.g., the Unitarian/Universalists ceased being a Christian denomination in 1961 when the two liberal denominations merged, even if their disavowal of Trinitarianism and their embrace of Universal Reconciliation was something you could put up with before that. Because in uniting, they specifically disavowed all creeds and declared themselves a non-creedal religion. And while they don't trumpet it, they don't deny that they are not a Christian denomination anymore. They even accept atheists and agnostics and pagans into their congregations. Acceptance of the Other, or of diversity, has never been a hallmark of Christianity.
I'm sure there are other examples but different people will draw the line in different places. Some fundamentalist Christians think most of the professing church is apostate, that the Catholic church is the Great W h o r e of The Revelation and most of Protestantism is lifeless and errant at best. Others simply condescend to call less conservative Christians "weaker brothers in Christ" and reserve the label "apostate" for those who go so far as to embrace marriage equality or some other random shibboleth.
The Bible doesn't have a single accepted interpretation in all matters. Every offered interpretation is someone's subjective personal opinion to an extent, by definition.
What is the unpardonable sin? Is there free will, or are we predestined? Is there a separate experience of infilling by the Holy Spirit? On this and many more questions there is not universal agreement by people of the Book.
To your point, attempts have been made into the past to codify dogma into creeds which one must subscribe to in order to be considered Christian. Aside from the differences between creeds, there are some who feel none of the creeds are sufficient by themselves.
I think it's pretty clear that, e.g., the Unitarian/Universalists ceased being a Christian denomination in 1961 when the two liberal denominations merged, even if their disavowal of Trinitarianism and their embrace of Universal Reconciliation was something you could put up with before that. Because in uniting, they specifically disavowed all creeds and declared themselves a non-creedal religion. And while they don't trumpet it, they don't deny that they are not a Christian denomination anymore. They even accept atheists and agnostics and pagans into their congregations. Acceptance of the Other, or of diversity, has never been a hallmark of Christianity.
I'm sure there are other examples but different people will draw the line in different places. Some fundamentalist Christians think most of the professing church is apostate, that the Catholic church is the Great W h o r e of The Revelation and most of Protestantism is lifeless and errant at best. Others simply condescend to call less conservative Christians "weaker brothers in Christ" and reserve the label "apostate" for those who go so far as to embrace marriage equality or some other random shibboleth.
Didn't Jesus give us a clue ( accepted interpretation ) as to who are genuine ' wheat ' Christians at John 13:34-35 but the ones who have self-sacrificing love among themselves as Jesus has for us ?
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What Determines A Christian To Be A Christian ?
how does that go about logs in eyes ?
