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Old 10-16-2016, 06:08 AM
 
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John Podesta is a Roman Catholic who frequently teaches at the R.C. Georgetown University.

Sandy Newman is a non-Catholic. It is in his letter that the phrase "plant the seeds of the revolution" occurs - though in quotes. Is he quoting a previous letter by Podesta or from some other source. That would be interesting to know.

Revolutions have occurred before in the R.C. church, and several very large Protestant denominations were the result; and their secession from the R.C. impelled that church to begin its own attempts at reform, as you must know.

Nothing evil at work here, just people with a different religious agenda than yours about birth control, etc. As far as the negative reference to R.C. bishops, one needs only look at their role in concealing and sheltering child molesting priests in the U.S. and Ireland. And their failure to weed them out of the clergy in order to understand that episcopal loyalties lie with shielding the reputation of the church, and not with protecting their flock from evil. Thus, it is certainly understandable that some Catholics might like a revolutionary cleanup of the church, which its bishops and the last three popes have shrunk away from.
yup,

gets too big, breaks up.

It happens all the time. I will happen to the united states also if we keep going down this path of socialism. Or, maybe, like any large socialist country, they will use force to have "unity".

 
Old 10-16-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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It is interesting that the OP refers to a Wiki leak that in fact is trying to help the catholic church survive (at least in the US) by suggesting support for contraception - which is (since this has become a debate on abortion) an alternative to that.

To suggest that this is trying to destroy the Church by trying to destroy this particular bit of doctrine is missing the point by a very wide margin. By helping religions that are NOT the prevalent Protestant church to continue, this is working FOR Religious liberty rather than against it.
When an institution becomes irrelevant to the times and conditions it is going down.
 
Old 10-16-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gei2SFTFakc


Black Pastors Do Not Support Hillary Clinton

More ministers coming out against Hillary.

http://ilovemyfreedom.org/evangelica...trump-mesaage/
 
Old 10-16-2016, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Completely misleading, janelle, one of your least admirable traits.


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Fully 28 percent of those who have attended black Protestant churches in the last few months heard their pastor support Hillary Clinton. Seven percent experienced the opposite—their leaders opposed the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee. On the whole, though, black pastors are much more opposed to Donald Trump: 20 percent of recent attendees said they’ve heard comments against Trump at church.
Black Pastors Speak Out in Support of Hillary Clinton From the Pulpit - The Atlantic

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...-s-happy-place
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Hillary Clinton’s support among African-Americans only surprises whites who caricature black politics as blindly radical, and radicals blinded with rage who unfairly blame Bill Clinton for the mass incarceration problem. The Clintons’ relationship with the African-American community has been deep and mutually beneficial, and it’s showing in the election tallies. Distorting the historical record ignores both Clintons’ warm ties to African-Americans and their impressive contributions to racial reconciliation, especially in the 1990s.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...#ixzz4NI1jJuY6



What all of us should be concerned about is that it is ILLEGAL to promote from the pulpit any candidate for political office.

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Old 10-16-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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What all of us should be concerned about is that it is ILLEGAL to promote from the pulpit any candidate for political office.
Why should we be concerned? It is always 100% obvious who the proper Christian candidate is. Any pastor who says that its HRC is a socialite in pastors clothing. I have found this to be the case in a majority of the black churches I have visited. I would say the majority of church-going, self-declared Christians today are Christians in name only and only on Sunday Morning. The rest of the week they are of and in the world. These are the people who would fall away at the first sign of persecution or hardship.
 
Old 10-16-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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Why should we be concerned? It is always 100% obvious who the proper Christian candidate is. Any pastor who says that its HRC is a socialite in pastors clothing. I have found this to be the case in a majority of the black churches I have visited. I would say the majority of church-going, self-declared Christians today are Christians in name only and only on Sunday Morning. The rest of the week they are of and in the world. These are the people who would fall away at the first sign of persecution or hardship.
Well my idea of Christianity is men like Kaine who spent a year (in the middle of his legal education) in Honduras working to help poor people.

And what about Clinton's work with the Children's Defense Fund? Just liberal clap trap?

Do provide us with the kind of work Trump has done to help the defenseless. Near as I can tell, his several bankruptcies have put quite a number of small business owners out of business. His way of saying "Your fired!" Quite "christian" of him, don't you think?
 
Old 10-16-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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Well my idea of Christianity is men like Kaine who spent a year (in the middle of his legal education) in Honduras working to help poor people.

And what about Clinton's work with the Children's Defense Fund? Just liberal clap trap?

Do provide us with the kind of work Trump has done to help the defenseless. Near as I can tell, his several bankruptcies have put quite a number of small business owners out of business. His way of saying "Your fired!" Quite "christian" of him, don't you think?
I'm sorry, are you seriously trying to make a case for Clinton to be the religious candidate? She literally falls on the wrong side of every single biblical issue there is... Homosexuality, abortion, assisted suicide, religious liberty...

Now while she may be very good at white-washing her public image, her policies have always been staunchly against the moral and social views of Judeo-Christians.
 
Old 10-16-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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Do provide us with the kind of work Trump has done to help the defenseless. Near as I can tell, his several bankruptcies have put quite a number of small business owners out of business. His way of saying "Your fired!" Quite "christian" of him, don't you think?
But.... it's all about what he PROMISES, not about what he has DONE!
 
Old 10-16-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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I'm sorry, are you seriously trying to make a case for Clinton to be the religious candidate? She literally falls on the wrong side of every single biblical issue there is... Homosexuality, abortion, assisted suicide, religious liberty...

Now while she may be very good at white-washing her public image, her policies have always been staunchly against the moral and social views of Judeo-Christians.
EVERY issue you name has been and is hotly debated WITHIN the Christian community with ONLY the conservative minority on the side of what YOU think is "the angels."
 
Old 10-16-2016, 08:26 PM
 
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This isn't the Politics forum.

Why didn't somebody report this as soon as the thread was started?

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