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Old 01-27-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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Jesus never taught to set up care programs in his name, but help on an individual basis when possible.
Jesus said our main focus should be about God's kingdom government as was his main focus - Luke 4:43.
We are to carry out the spiritual work as Jesus mentioned at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 as the actual solution to mankind's on-going problems - Daniel 2:44.
And that's a reason to oppose such programs? Is it appropriate to LIMIT our participation to those in need whom we encounter? Does the failure to recognize that a compassionate society will take care of people Christians don't encounter indicate a hardness of heart in itself?

 
Old 01-27-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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And that's a reason to oppose such programs? Is it appropriate to LIMIT our participation to those in need whom we encounter? Does the failure to recognize that a compassionate society will take care of people Christians don't encounter indicate a hardness of heart in itself?
Wouldn't a ' compassionate society ' be composed of people like the neighborly good Samaritan ( everyone be like that good Samaritan ), then each person would be cared for. That would Not be limiting everyone's participation because everyone would be a participating neighborly good Samaritan type. Each helping another when in distress.

That is Not opposing such programs, but sometimes people equate to do that as it that is what Jesus taught to do.
If a person can set up a business to help others that person would be hard working person, but it should Not be at the neglect of doing 'spiritual works' as Jesus assigned for his followers to do - Matthew 24:14; 28: 18-20; Acts 1:8

A global ' compassionate society ' is the coming ' new society ' when there will be healing for earth's nations under Christ's coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth - Revelation 22:2; 2nd Peter 3:13. No one will be neglected.
In the meantime, each person can help on a one-on-one basis as the neighborly good Samaritan did.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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People can say what they want about Mormonism, but we have a fantastic welfare system (primarily but not exclusively for our members) and an even more awesome
humanitarian effort that benefits the needy throughout the world, with absolutely no strings attached.
The LDS are worker bees when it comes to helping the needy.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The LDS are worker bees when it comes to helping the needy.
Thanks, Dew! You know, I wonder if anybody else who is following this thread has even bothered to watch those two short videos. I very much doubt it. I really appreciate your kind remarks.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 06:25 PM
 
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And that's a reason to oppose such programs? Is it appropriate to LIMIT our participation to those in need whom we encounter? Does the failure to recognize that a compassionate society will take care of people Christians don't encounter indicate a hardness of heart in itself?
Not oppose them, but they do allow many members to not help.

If everyone helped their neighbor, there would be no need for the programs at all.

How many help centers do atheists have?'

How many do Gay's have?

How many do agnostics have?
 
Old 01-27-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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Wouldn't a ' compassionate society ' be composed of people like the neighborly good Samaritan ( everyone be like that good Samaritan ), then each person would be cared for. That would Not be limiting everyone's participation because everyone would be a participating neighborly good Samaritan type. Each helping another when in distress.
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Dream on. No, a compassionate society would be one with enough compassion to pique the conscience of a majority to try to help those considerably less fortunate. Get rid of selfishness entirely? Not likely.

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Old 01-28-2017, 06:24 AM
 
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People can say what they want about Mormonism, but we have a fantastic welfare system (primarily but not exclusively for our members) and an even more awesome
humanitarian effort that benefits the needy throughout the world, with absolutely no strings attached.
Does this awesome Mormon welfare system do anything to help the Mormon lost boys?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost...alism)#/search
 
Old 01-28-2017, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Does this awesome Mormon welfare system do anything to help the Mormon lost boys?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost...alism)#/search
Absolutely, if they come forward and ask for help. Remember, they were essentially discarded like trash by the only church they'd ever known, and are often hesitant to trust anybody.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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We need to keep in mind Jesus' main focus of Luke 4:43 was to teach about God's coming kingdom government.
So, of course Jesus did Not heal all at his time on Earth, because Jesus was giving us a sample, or a preview coming attraction of what healing he will be doing on a grand-global scale during his millennium-long day of governing over Earth when at that coming time earth's nations will then be healed according to Revelation 22:2.
Then, No one will say, " I am sick..."- Isaiah 33:24
At that time, even enemy death will be No more on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Good point. And in Matthew 28:18-20 he told us to go and preach the Gospel to all nations, making disciples. So...if we have a mission OTHER than caring for the sick and hurting given to us by Jesus....why are people thinking that's all we should do?
 
Old 01-28-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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Good point. And in Matthew 28:18-20 he told us to go and preach the Gospel to all nations, making disciples. So...if we have a mission OTHER than caring for the sick and hurting given to us by Jesus....why are people thinking that's all we should do?
Because of the truth in St Francis' admonition which indicates that words are a last resort in preaching the gospel? Possibly because the love demonstrated IS the gospel?
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