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Old 01-27-2017, 03:48 AM
 
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In the 3rd chapter of Luke, a different genealogy of Jesus is given. It starts with Joseph and goes back to the god in Genesis.

If Jesus denied his earthly father Joseph, does that mean that he was denying the god of the Israelites also?
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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In the 3rd chapter of Luke, a different genealogy of Jesus is given. It starts with Joseph and goes back to the god in Genesis.
If Jesus denied his earthly father Joseph, does that mean that he was denying the god of the Israelites also?
Luke traces Jesus' maternal ' fleshy right ' through Mary. Mary was the daughter of Heli.- Luke 3:23
In Scripture, Bible speak, at marriage Joseph was considered as Son, instead of how we today say son-in-law.

Whereas Matthew traces Jesus' paternal ' legal right ' through Joseph. Jacob was the fleshy father of Joseph - Matt. 1:16
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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In the 3rd chapter of Luke, a different genealogy of Jesus is given. It starts with Joseph and goes back to the god in Genesis.
If Jesus denied his earthly father Joseph, does that mean that he was denying the god of the Israelites also?
1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Timothy 4:7
But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

2 Timothy 4:4
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Titus 1:14
Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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Joseph was the spiritual father for Jesus Christ , as God cannot do anything in the earth including bringing in a Messiah unless people pray or interact with God ........ So Joseph and His father, and His fathers father right back to king David , Abraham , and even back to Noah and Adam where the blessed sons of God who were the spiritual great grand fathers of Jesus Christ which ushered Jesus in as the redeemer ..........As these blessed sons of God were the giants which took wives of the earth and sin came in , so where God said His Spirit will not help these sons of God live nine hundred years but now only 120 years , as these fathers and the blessed son where Jesus spiritual fathers ......
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Joseph was the spiritual father for Jesus Christ , as God cannot do anything in the earth including bringing in a Messiah unless people pray or interact with God ........ So Joseph and His father, and His fathers father right back to king David , Abraham , and even back to Noah and Adam where the blessed sons of God who were the spiritual great grand fathers of Jesus Christ which ushered Jesus in as the redeemer ..........As these blessed sons of God were the giants which took wives of the earth and sin came in , so where God said His Spirit will not help these sons of God live nine hundred years but now only 120 years , as these fathers and the blessed son where Jesus spiritual fathers ......
Isn't the 120 years of Genesis 6:3 in connection to how much time there would be left before the Flood starts, and Not how long each person would live at that time frame. For example: Noah lived more than 120 years - Genesis 7:11
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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My point is that it seems that Jesus was choosing a different "father" from the ones many of his ancestors had chosen. In other words, a different philosophy and way of life.

Does no one else get that feeling when reading the gospels?
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Old 01-27-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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My point is that it seems that Jesus was choosing a different "father" from the ones many of his ancestors had chosen. In other words, a different philosophy and way of life.
Does no one else get that feeling when reading the gospels?
Joseph was Not the actual father of Jesus, Jesus actual Father was his God.
God transformed the pre-human heavenly spirit life of Jesus to Mary to be born on Earth.
Until Jesus was grown, he remained in subjection to Joseph and Mary - Luke 2:52
Then, Jesus referred to Mary as 'woman', and began his preaching and teaching work after his baptism.- Luke 3:22-23.
What was different besides Jesus' preaching and teaching - Luke 4:43 - was Jesus was fullfilling the Mosaic Law.
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Old 01-27-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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Isn't the 120 years of Genesis 6:3 in connection to how much time there would be left before the Flood starts, and Not how long each person would live at that time frame. For example: Noah lived more than 120 years - Genesis 7:11
RESPONSE: Genesis tell us that the wages of sin are death, but that Adam lived to be 930 years of age. I guess a little sin must be good for you, right!
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Old 01-27-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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RESPONSE: Genesis tell us that the wages of sin are death, but that Adam lived to be 930 years of age. I guess a little sin must be good for you, right!
Adam is dead and Adam died within a day to God.

2 Peter 3:8 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day..
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Old 01-27-2017, 07:53 PM
 
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Joseph was Not the actual father of Jesus, Jesus actual Father was his God.
God transformed the pre-human heavenly spirit life of Jesus to Mary to be born on Earth.
Until Jesus was grown, he remained in subjection to Joseph and Mary - Luke 2:52
Then, Jesus referred to Mary as 'woman', and began his preaching and teaching work after his baptism.- Luke 3:22-23.
What was different besides Jesus' preaching and teaching - Luke 4:43 - was Jesus was fullfilling the Mosaic Law.
But Jesus said that anyone who did the will of his Father (in heaven) was considered to be his brother or his mother. In other words, anyone who agreed with his philosophy he would have considered a brother.

Somewhere in scripture it says, "Call no man father". In other words, the guiding influence is the invisible spirit. We can however call one another brothers. Just like anyone you meet in life whom you connect with, is really like your brother in spirit.
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