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Old 01-31-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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What you feel and what you know are two different things. An addict feels as though their drug is all good. Infinitely good. Worth any sacrifice. It is as though doing their drug would guarantee them a place in heaven and not doing their drug would condemn them to hell. Therefore any finite loss they experience on Earth because of their drug is insignificant. That is why they will keep taking it even though it completely ruins their life. 

To worship something is to feel that that thing is infinitely good. Worth any sacrifice. Anything that you feel is infinitely good is something you worship. That could be money or sex or drugs or even God.

You may know with your mind that it isn't really infinitely good and isn't worth the sacrifice but what you know and what you feel are two completely different things. 
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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logical solutions and emotional needs

we are a mixture of both. A solution with varying concentrations.

"honesty" seems to be in short supply by people than lean too far to one side or the other.
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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God is indeed infinitely good , as when you stand in heaven then you will know for sure , were as if you do not plan to be in heaven then you will always have the hopeless ideas of the world
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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Infinite love is possible. So is infinite hate. But nothing is infinitely good or infinitely bad.
If you were infinitely bad then you would deserve to burn in hell forever
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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There's a damned fine line between preaching the Good News and peddling drugs
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Old 02-02-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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But nothing is infinitely good or infinitely bad.

Why? Simply because you say so, with no reasons or arguments to support the claim?


Thomas Aquinas says you're wrong, and I say that Thomas Aquinas is a heck of a lot smarter than you are.
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Old 02-03-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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If something is infinitely good then something must be infinitely bad too. If a person was infinitely bad than they would deserve to burn in hell for eternity. Are you saying that some people are infinitely bad?
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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Why? Simply because you say so, with no reasons or arguments to support the claim?


Thomas Aquinas says you're wrong, and I say that Thomas Aquinas is a heck of a lot smarter than you are.
what years did thomas live?
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:28 PM
 
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Lucky me....I have no care of debates or complex ideas.
I am pretty simple.
There is love and a direct experience of the Divine Presence...if there is not
I am out of sync ... not attuned ...not connected or aware of the Divine.
Infinite?....that may be for intellectuals or people tripping on LSD to discuss.
Why did I post here then?
To give another perspective, not to mock.
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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What you feel and what you know are two different things.

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To worship something is to feel that that thing is infinitely good. Worth any sacrifice. Anything that you feel is infinitely good is something you worship. That could be money or sex or drugs or even God.

You may know with your mind that it isn't really infinitely good and isn't worth the sacrifice but what you know and what you feel are two completely different things. 
"our tragic inclination to sin causes us to use our minds to rationalize our actions. Reason by itself is little more than an instrument to justify man's defensive ways of thinking. Reason, devoid of purifying power of faith, can never free itself from distortions and rationalizations." - Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

Granpa's assertion is based on subjective opinion. It's literally all in his mind- as he admits in his post.

Knowing and feeling are the same - he says. The rest of us call it experience, life experience. But assumptions and opinions are not the same as experience. They are the result of mental or cognitive capacity. They are the patterns we make in our minds to explain what we have experienced and felt from the outside world as well as what we want.

Wanting and having are two different things. A thing once gotten may not be as tasty as wanting it. Hence the expression, "be careful what you pray for because you may get it."

Unfortunately subjective opinions are sometimes misleading - as Granpa admits to us all. To use his examples, the addict forms the opinion that the thing he craves is good and is worth the sacrifice of any other thing to get it. The addict's opinion of the object of his craving may instead be a form of self-destruction. Granpa says so in his post , but the truth doesn't begin and end within the hardened shell of one's calcified brain case. Truth is found in the reality of the world around us not in our opinion of it.

Truth is that which is consistent with what is. - Merriam-Webster dictionary

This is where God begins to reveal Himself to us - from the outside world. That which we experience of God from the outside world must be taken into our minds and digested as a mental assumption. For example, the Bible contains a number of factual historic accounts of God's action in the outside world. It also describes how people who witnessed these events reacted to them. Some changed their opinions of God and benefitted from their choice. Others did not and suffered grievious consequences for their foolishness. (A fool as defined by Merriam-Webster is a person "lacking in common powers of understanding.")

The brain is a God given tool that humans use to understand the world around them. It can be used in a self-destructive capacity, as in the example of the addict or criminal, or it can be used to great advantage in the areas of science and spirituality. Evidence of God is everywhere in the outside world, in the history of the human race and in the testimony of those who know Him. A subjective opinion that denies the truth of God is the conclusion of a fool. It is a lie created in the mind, which exists only in a fool's mind.

It is therefore wise to seek God while we have time. He is willing to hear our prayers and send help. God is willing to save in every way a man can be saved. A fool sits in the dark corners of his mind and, like the drug addict, denies everything that is contrary to his self-inflicted self-destructive opinion.

The fear and knowledge of God is the beginning of wisdom.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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