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Old 02-11-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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People share this world with demons, and fallen angels , and powers of darkness all which God rejected , so these spirit get man to sin then man will be under the curse and cannot over come sin which is rejected by God ......................... God brought us Jesus who was God an innocent man killed by the influence of these evil spirits , and Jesus became God`s lone judgment for man and women , where people turn to Jesus to find redemption from sin , Sin is a selfishness like pride , and in all forms of evil and unbelief is also sin , and even sickness is the direct or indirect from the evil spirits of this world
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Catholics comprise 50 percent of all Christians worldwide and 16 percent of the world's total population. In 2010, the majority of the world's Catholics were to be found in the Latin American/Carribbean region (39 percent, or 425 million). In 1910, two-thirds of Catholics (65 percent) lived in Europe.Feb 19, 2013
The World's Catholic Population (Infographic) - Live Science
The World's Catholic Population (Infographic)

Protestants account for nearly forty percent of Christians worldwide and more than one tenth of the total human population. Various estimates put the percentage of Protestants in relation to the total number of world's Christians at 33%, 36%, 36.7%, and 40%, while in relation to the world's population at 11.6% and 13%.
Protestantism by country - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_by_country

Both groups share many beliefs most commonly the divine origin of the bible. In the first book of the bible, we are told that Adam sinned. And some tell us that we all share in the guilt for this sin.
“Original sin, also called ancestral sin,[1] is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.[2]”
“ This condition has been characterized in many ways, ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature", to something as drastic as total depravity or automatic guilt of all humans through collective guilt.[3]””
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Which view do you think is correct and why?

Define Original Sin...
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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Cain and Abel = Cannibal
Cain and Abel = Cannibal = food fit for canning...
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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This.

You gotta beat people up with THE LAW (because of Original Sin, we are all "born in iniquity" thus deserving of ending up on God's eternal garbage heap, writing in torment and agony forever) so that they will feel utterly worthless and underserving of love and afraid and hopeless, and therefore will need and accept the GOSPEL (the good news that if you believe that God was able to vent God's wrath on Godself in your place, God's justice will be satisfied and God will pretend you are righteous and pure and no longer garbage.)
Since we Jews never had that in the Hebrew Scriptures, where did the Christians find it?...
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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Since we Jews never had that in the Hebrew Scriptures, where did the Christians find it?...
No, you had the belief that you were the original apple of the eye of God and the only apple of his eye.

From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that THEY( Who are the THEY ? all the nations) would seek him (who ? the nations)and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. ‘For in him WE live and move and have our being.’b As some of your own poets have said, ‘We(not just you Jewish boys) are his offspring.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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I view Adam as being responsible for his sins and me as being responsible for mine. I further believe that Jesus Christ's atoning sacrifice paid the price for both Adam's and my sins.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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It is obvious that we are born with a strong propensity to sin, or "miss the mark".
Really?...How's that idea work out for those in the Tanakh that were said to walk in ALL the ways of G-d, were righteous men?...

Truth is, we are all born with a Yetzer HaRa and a Yetzer HaTov, it is our responsibility to choose the Yetzer HaTov on a daily basis...Practice makes perfect...

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God our Creator, on the other hand, is holy (pure). Original (and perpetual) sin separates us from our Creator. God forgives and redeems us through the redemptive work of His Son, who took our sin upon Himself. We can access that redemption through faith in God. Once we are redeemed, we belong to God's family, forever.
G-d says that He forgives you if you repent...He could not have taken our sin upon himself since G-d says that no one may be punished for another's sin, that each man shall be punished for his own sin...
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Old 02-11-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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How do you view the guilt of original sin?
As a brilliant - albeit sadistic - tool to lower people's self-esteem and make them easier to manipulate.
Would that it was actually brilliant, but it is just the expression of ancient ignorance and superstition about God.
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This.
You gotta beat people up with THE LAW (because of Original Sin, we are all "born in iniquity" thus deserving of ending up on God's eternal garbage heap, writing in torment and agony forever) so that they will feel utterly worthless and undeserving of love and afraid and hopeless, and therefore will need and accept the GOSPEL (the good news that if you believe that God was able to vent God's wrath on Godself in your place, God's justice will be satisfied and God will pretend you are righteous and pure and no longer garbage.)
It is an insidious and very destructive meme. It is what has enabled some of the most egregious crimes against humanity and continues to promote human evil against humans in the name of pleasing or appeasing God.
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Old 02-11-2017, 04:01 PM
 
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It is obvious that we are born with a strong propensity to sin, or "miss the mark"..
Well you would if you believed that.
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Old 02-11-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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People share this world with demons, and fallen angels , and powers of darkness all which God rejected , so these spirit get man to sin then man will be under the curse and cannot over come sin which is rejected by God ......................... God brought us Jesus who was God an innocent man killed by the influence of these evil spirits , and Jesus became God`s lone judgment for man and women , where people turn to Jesus to find redemption from sin , Sin is a selfishness like pride , and in all forms of evil and unbelief is also sin , and even sickness is the direct or indirect from the evil spirits of this world
No, man get's himself to sin...
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