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Old 01-10-2018, 03:58 AM
 
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When I was a small boy, I asked the catechist what a Holy Trinity was. Her answer was that it is a church mystery. Since it is a mystery of the church, I did not ask anymore until the spirit of Ama explained it to me. I believe Ama.
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Mobile, Al.
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Jesus has not a God, or He has a God. He is THE God. He is God Himself. He is the Father Himself. Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one." Please read Revelation.
GINOLJC, to all, this is correct. the Lord Jesus is the ONLY Spirit in the Godhead, (John 4:24a). and the Spirit is the HOLY SPIRIT. not some third person, but the ONLY PERSON. and no he's not playing roles. NO, he's his own "ARM" (Isaiah 63:5) or the OFFSPRING of himself in flesh, which means he's the DIVERSITY of himself in human form, which is his IMAGE, (Genesis 1:26). this Diversity is what the Greeks call the G243 allos of oneself (Philippians 2:6). or as the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words say, a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort, meaning ANOTHER (John 14:16), that's the numerical difference. the exact same one, (numerically difference), manifested in flesh bone and blood.

also, the Lord Jesus have no biological mother no biological father. nor any spiritual God or spirit father. he IS God all by himself.

the term Son, G5207, huios, concering the Spirit/God, have nothing to do with biology. only the Son of God is the flesh, the veil, the vesture, the cloke, the Garmet, or covering that he came or took part in. he was never a PARTAKER of Flesh and blood, (meaning he have only "ONE" Nature, not two, supportive scripture, Hebrews 2:14. but he likewise took part in our humanity. other words put on flesh. he possessed it.

conclusion, only one person one Spirit, who is "ONE" God, and that's the Holy Spirit.

PCY

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Old 01-10-2018, 07:19 AM
 
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When I was a small boy, I asked the catechist what a Holy Trinity was. Her answer was that it is a church mystery. Since it is a mystery of the church, I did not ask anymore until the spirit of Ama explained it to me. I believe Ama.
And why didn't the spirit if Ama speak with that lady or the church? I mean, there are so many ladies and so many churches out there, but the spirit spoke of Ama only spoke to you?

Looks like racism and/or injustice is not a only human trait but spirits practice it too.
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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Jesus has not a God, or He has a God. He is THE God. He is God Himself. He is the Father Himself. Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one." Please read Revelation.
Are you sure you've thought through this carefully? Are you saying that Jesus prayed to himself? Why on earth would He do that? Why would He have asked himself to forgive His murderers? Why would He say that He was greater than himself? And why, if He has no God, did He call His Father his God?
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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Jesus has not a God, or He has a God. He is THE God. He is God Himself. He is the Father Himself. Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one." Please read Revelation.

If Jesus were the Father he would be insane---Here me let me sacrifice myself to me. Let me pray to myself---Here me have a revelation( Rev 1:1)---- Our Father who art in HEAVEN---see you refuse to believe Jesus.
Your teachers err.
They are one in purpose as all true followers would become one with them as well--in purpose--living now to do Gods will( Matt 7:21)
Only the Father knows the day and hour--the son does not know nor the HS or any angel living. They are not one being. Remember--The Father is greater than I--proving my points are correct.
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Old 01-10-2018, 01:40 PM
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If Jesus were the Father he would be insane---Here me let me sacrifice myself to me. Let me pray to myself---Here me have a revelation( Rev 1:1)---- Our Father who art in HEAVEN---see you refuse to believe Jesus.
Your teachers err.
They are one in purpose as all true followers would become one with them as well--in purpose--living now to do Gods will( Matt 7:21)
Only the Father knows the day and hour--the son does not know nor the HS or any angel living. They are not one being. Remember--The Father is greater than I--proving my points are correct.
No. He isn't the Father. He is God the Son. Two of the three persons of the Godhead. They are not one person. And yes, God the Son submits to God the Father.

You are SOOOOOOOOO close but you can't quite make that jump.
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Old 01-10-2018, 02:59 PM
 
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Are you sure you've thought through this carefully? Are you saying that Jesus prayed to himself? Why on earth would He do that? Why would He have asked himself to forgive His murderers? Why would He say that He was greater than himself? And why, if He has no God, did He call His Father his God?
in flesh he prayed not to but pray. yes, for his murderers?, he is our example. the Holy Spirit prayed, and like wise, he, who is the Holy Spirit without glorified flesh prayed "to" only in intersession. find where the Lord Jesus prayed "to" only in one incident, else he just prayed, (according to the KJV). and as for GREATER, is that in quality or quantity. the term Father is not biologically used here. and two you just reversed your statement in asking why Jesus prayed to himself. is not the term God include Father, son, and Holy Spirit. so why ask "if He has no God, did He call His Father his God?". so are you saying the term God excludes the Son here?.

PCY
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Old 01-10-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Mobile, Al.
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If Jesus were the Father he would be insane---Here me let me sacrifice myself to me. Let me pray to myself---Here me have a revelation( Rev 1:1)---- Our Father who art in HEAVEN---see you refuse to believe Jesus.
Your teachers err.
They are one in purpose as all true followers would become one with them as well--in purpose--living now to do Gods will( Matt 7:21)
Only the Father knows the day and hour--the son does not know nor the HS or any angel living. They are not one being. Remember--The Father is greater than I--proving my points are correct.
this is the error of Balaam. did you not know that the Spirit, whom you calls or term God is a plurality of himself? did you know that. not in Person, but in Spirit. yes, his "OWN" arm brought salvation to HIMSELF, see Isaiah 63:5. now, is God's own ARM a separate person from him?. or is your OWN ARM a separate entity from you. love to hear that answer.

PCY

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Old 01-10-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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No. He isn't the Father. He is God the Son. Two of the three persons of the Godhead. They are not one person. And yes, God the Son submits to God the Father.

You are SOOOOOOOOO close but you can't quite make that jump.
Three gods...
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Old 01-10-2018, 03:54 PM
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Three gods...
Nope. Just one God. That's what Christian doctrine is. One God, 3 persons. It was defined officially 1800 years ago.

If you want to know what Mormonism teaches, ask a Mormon, right? Want to know what Catholicism is? Ask a Catholic.

Last I checked, you were Jewish, and were not a Christian, so please don't pretend to know what we believe better than we do.
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