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Old 03-16-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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A person is body, soul, and spirit and in 1 John 5, this is called the water, the blood and the spirit.
What do you see being the difference between the spirit and the soul? Plain English, please. No metaphors, etc.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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So then I may rightfully infer that you believe only the non-trinitarian sects of Christianity are "saved". I don't know if there are other non-trinitarians besides JW's -- I think there are a couple.



Jesus started--ONE single religion. Its all God had in the OT--one religion--Why??-- because there is only one truth. One faith, One God.
1Cor 1:10-- a mark of the one true religion-- unity of thought( on all matters) no division.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Trinity

The council of Nicaea dealt primarily with the issue of the deity of Christ. Over a century earlier the term "Trinity" (Τριάς in Greek; trinitas in Latin) was used in the writings of Origen (185254) and Tertullian (160220), and a general notion of a "divine three", in some sense, was expressed in the second century writings of Polycarp, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr. In Nicaea, questions regarding the Holy Spirit were left largely unaddressed until after the relationship between the Father and the Son was settled around the year 362. So the doctrine in a more full-fledged form was not formulated until the Council of Constantinople in 360 AD,[78] and a final form formulated in 381 AD, primarily crafted by Gregory of Nyssa. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...Nicaea#Trinity


According to surviving accounts, the presbyter Arius argued for the supremacy of God the Father, and maintained that the Son of God was created as an act of the Father's will, and therefore that the Son was a creature made by God, begotten directly of the infinite, eternal God. Arius's argument was that the Son was God's very first production, before all ages. The position being that the Son had a beginning, and that only the Father has no beginning. And Arius argued that everything else was created through the Son. Thus, said the Arians, only the Son was directly created and begotten of God; and therefore there was a time that He had no existence. Arius believed that the Son of God was capable of His own free will of right and wrong, and that "were He in the truest sense a son, He must have come after the Father, therefore the time obviously was when He was not, and hence He was a finite being",[40] and that He was under God the Father. Therefore, Arius insisted that the Father's divinity was greater than the Son's. The Arians appealed to Scripture, quoting biblical statements such as "the Father is greater than I", and also that the Son is "firstborn of all creation". - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...s_for_Arianism





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Old 03-17-2017, 09:17 PM
 
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My interpretation of the holy trinity is like my father:

He is my father. - The Father
He is the son of his father - my grandpa - The Son
My father has soul. - The Holy Spirit

The end.

It is not rocket science, people.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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What do you see being the difference between the spirit and the soul? Plain English, please. No metaphors, etc.
The kingdom of heaven is you, what does it look like?


It looks like Elijah, Moses, and Jesus.


A Prophet
A Priest
A King


Let's say you want to get drunk and look at porn today.


Part of you will be drooling and wanting to do so, and yet another part of you is going to say,'' O No, Let's not do that thing.'' And still another part of you has to decide between these two kingdoms as if you were Jerusalem sitting between two kingdoms, between your left eye and your right eye.


Your right eye sees what it wants and your right hand will reach for it but there is supposed to be a good guiding spirit inside you that keeps the entire creation decent.


You are born of flesh, and this is water, and you are also born of blood and this is the soul.


Whatever you desire in the water, you have to make a choice in the soul.


But whatever you do, you have done by 3.
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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The kingdom of heaven is you, what does it look like?
It looks like Elijah, Moses, and Jesus.
A Prophet
A Priest
A King
Let's say you want to get drunk and look at porn today.
Part of you will be drooling and wanting to do so, and yet another part of you is going to say,'' O No, Let's not do that thing.'' And still another part of you has to decide between these two kingdoms as if you were Jerusalem sitting between two kingdoms, between your left eye and your right eye.
Your right eye sees what it wants and your right hand will reach for it but there is supposed to be a good guiding spirit inside you that keeps the entire creation decent.
You are born of flesh, and this is water, and you are also born of blood and this is the soul.
Whatever you desire in the water, you have to make a choice in the soul.
But whatever you do, you have done by 3.
Moses, Elijah, and all the faithful of Hebrews chapter 11 have Not yet received the promise - Heb. 11:13,39
ALL who died before Jesus' died ( including king David - Acts 2:34 ) are still asleep in the grave.
None of them have the heavenly calling - John 3:13
Those called to heaven have two (2) jobs to do - Revelation 5:9-10; 20:6
The will serve mankind living on earth as kings and priests.
As kings they will take care of governmental responsibilities for the meek who inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5
As priests they will take care of spiritual duties for the meek who inherit the Earth - Psalm 72:8, 12-14

Like Adam, we are mortal. When Adam died, all of Adam died because the soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20
And as gospel writer Luke wrote at Acts 3:23 one's soul can be destroyed.
Such as: the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7
The only hope for any future life prospects is the Resurrection Hope - Acts 24:15
Resurrection Day which is Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth.
At that time then even enemy death will be No more - 1st Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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My interpretation of the holy trinity is like my father:

He is my father. - The Father
He is the son of his father - my grandpa - The Son
My father has soul. - The Holy Spirit

The end.

It is not rocket science, people.

Jesus taught this--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- Since the bible is 100% clear there is but one God--tell us please how God has a God??? But I say Paul taught truth--only the Father is God-1Cor 8:6--Jesus teaches the same at John 17:3---
So either Jesus and Paul lied( they didn't) or trinity teachers are lying because of translation errors that contradict Jesus and his real teachers.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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Jesus taught this--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- Since the bible is 100% clear there is but one God--tell us please how God has a God??? But I say Paul taught truth--only the Father is God-1Cor 8:6--Jesus teaches the same at John 17:3---
So either Jesus and Paul lied( they didn't) or trinity teachers are lying because of translation errors that contradict Jesus and his real teachers.
You left out an option which is that the Jehovah's Witnesses don't know what they're talking about. How can God have a God you ask? God the Father didn't have a problem calling the Son God (Hebrews 1:8). God in the highest sense of the word since the Father stated that the Son created the heavens and the earth (Hebrews 1:10-12), and Genesis 1:1 states that God created the heavens and the earth.

Since God created the heavens and the earth, and since Jesus created the heavens and the earth, Jesus is God in the fullest sense as is so very clearly stated in John 1:1.

Furthermore, Jesus Himself claimed to be God as I showed in my thread, Jesus' claim to be Deity as recorded by Matthew and Mark

The one true God subsists as three distinct 'Persons.' ''Trinity teachers'' as you call them are not lying. Those who hold the Trinitarian view, a view held by the early church, do so because they recognize that the concept of the Trinity, not the actual word, but the concept of the Trinity is found in the Bible regardless of what the Johnny-come-lately Jehovah's Witnesses which originated in 1872 claim to the contrary. The Jehovah's Witnesses are nothing more than a modern day offshoot of Arianism.

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Old 03-19-2017, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Constitutional USA, zn.8A
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the title of this thread, reads "The Holy Trinity is not a mystery anymore"
Right.
And there has never been a mystery. For Christ knows... what He perfectly does...
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Old 03-19-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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My interpretation of the holy trinity is like my father:

He is my father. - The Father
He is the son of his father - my grandpa - The Son
My father has soul. - The Holy Spirit

The end.

It is not rocket science, people.
Good thing your not a rocket scientist...
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