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Old 02-27-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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God is interested in the condition of our hearts, not our religious dogma.
That's it!
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Old 02-27-2018, 12:24 PM
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That's it!
You just missed the point that that statement is a religious dogma statement.
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Old 02-27-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Dear God, please teach people it does not matter whether you are thought to be a trinity or not. All in Christ are ONE with God. God is interested in the condition of our hearts, not our religious dogma.

Atonement = At One Ment

Having--TRUTH--is Gods will--John 4:22-24---
Satan is posing as all the false gods on earth so-YES- it does matter to God. #1 commandment-- thou shalt not have any other gods before your face

You need new teachers--you haven't found the ones that have Jesus.
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:19 PM
 
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First of all, you ought to look at a dictionary to see what "atonement" actually means.

Second...so it doesn't matter who God is? Doesn't matter what his nature is? So he could be a flying spaghetti monster and it's ok with you?
Good reply.
Next they ought to look at Jesus' baptism ... the Trinity was seen and heard.
1) The Father spoke
2 The Son was in the water
3) The Holy Spirit descended

Next they ought to look at Jesus' Great Commission .... Jesus named the Trinity

Next they need to read that the 1st century coined word for the Trinity is mentioned ... Deity.

In other words ... it matters to have the correct belief who God is.
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:20 AM
 
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Having--TRUTH--is Gods will--John 4:22-24---
Satan is posing as all the false gods on earth so-YES- it does matter to God. #1 commandment-- thou shalt not have any other gods before your face

You need new teachers--you haven't found the ones that have Jesus.
You might need new teachers if they are teaching you that Satan is an enemy of G-d...
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:17 AM
 
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Good reply.
Next they ought to look at Jesus' baptism ... the Trinity was seen and heard.
1) The Father spoke
2 The Son was in the water
3) The Holy Spirit descended
Doesn't say the three are one, and is applicable to several theologies. In fact the gospel of Mark may well have not made it into our NT (due to it's use by adoptionists) if it was not for Marcion.

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Next they ought to look at Jesus' Great Commission .... Jesus named the Trinity
According to the fourth century chronicler, Eusebius (Demonstratio Evangelica, book 3), the earliest versions had 'baptize in my name', with no mention of the Trinity.

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Next they need to read that the 1st century coined word for the Trinity is mentioned ... Deity.
Derived much later, using Greek that predates the firs century AD.
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Dear God, please teach people it does not matter whether you are thought to be a trinity or not. All in Christ are ONE with God. God is interested in the condition of our hearts, not our religious dogma.

First.....I'm In agreement with you.

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Jerwade...That's it!
Quite simple.

Look at those two verses below. You see a pattern? Or, are you not familiar with patterns in the bible?

Let me introduce you to the mold of one of Gods pattern.

Pattern-Gen_41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

1+1=2 +1=3. Doubled twice = 2 +1 = 3. That is of of Gods patterns.

You'll see that pattern in many places in the bible. Check the two verses below:

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither bond nor free: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1. Jew nor Greek
2. bond nor free
3. bond nor free
Conclusion? ye are all one

Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
1. Greek nor Jew
2. circumcision nor uncircumcision
3. Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free
Conclusion? but Christ is all, and in all

The bible is does not only a compaliation of words. but words that have spiritual meanings, patterns, numbers and multiplications of numbers.

All those things add a new dimension to understanding the bible.

Especially.....get this....the Trinity.

Blessings, AJ

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Old 02-28-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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Good reply.
Next they ought to look at Jesus' baptism ... the Trinity was seen and heard.

1) The Father spoke

2 The Son was in the water

3) The Holy Spirit descended
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Doesn't say the three are one, and is applicable to several theologies. In fact the gospel of Mark may well have not made it into our NT (due to it's use by adoptionists) if it was not for Marcion.
Proper reading of the Scriptures will recognize:
Some truths are single stand alone while other truths are cumulative (the combining of multiple single truths to form the greater truth.)

Cumulatively (the combining of multiple single truths to form the greater truth.) is how the Trinity is presented by God in Scriptures.
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"Next they ought to look at Jesus' Great Commission .... Jesus named the Trinity"
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According to the fourth century chronicler, Eusebius (Demonstratio Evangelica, book 3), the earliest versions had 'baptize in my name', with no mention of the Trinity.
What a surprise ... an enemy of truth doing what Acts 20:30 says and what 2 Peter 2 will happen concerning false teachers.
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Next they need to read that the 1st century coined word for the Trinity is mentioned ... Deity.

In other words ... it matters to have the correct belief who God is
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Derived much later, using Greek that predates the firs century AD.
What can be said ... just more background noise.
The doctrine of the Trinity (aka Deity ... aka Godhead) is not something for me to be expected to explain satisfactorily to the skeptic.

The doctrine of the Trinity is and will always be one of theologies that will divide the right from the left ... sheep \ goats ... righteous \ unrighteous ... life with God eternally \ life without God eternally.

God is Triune and that is the only true God ... those on the "right" \ the righteous \ the sheep will experience life with God eternally.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Good reply.
Next they ought to look at Jesus' baptism ... the Trinity was seen and heard.
1) The Father spoke
2 The Son was in the water
3) The Holy Spirit descended

Next they ought to look at Jesus' Great Commission .... Jesus named the Trinity

Next they need to read that the 1st century coined word for the Trinity is mentioned ... Deity.

In other words ... it matters to have the correct belief who God is.
If the Holy Spirit descended upon him ....
What makes you think it wasn't the father?

Are you incapable of talking, while walking?
.... For the two have become One in Spirit.
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:00 AM
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If the Holy Spirit descended upon him ....
What makes you think it wasn't the father?

Are you incapable of talking, while walking?
Because he said so in the Bible. I mean...why not take his word for it?
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