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Old 03-01-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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Jonah 1:17 . .The Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

It appears from Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, that "day" is when the sun is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

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I had a thread on something like this before and im sure the usual. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE or IT DOESNT MATTER answers will pop up once they have to try to explain Friday per the bible.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...day-death.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...die-cross.html


Also found another older thread as well by another OP

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...w-12-40-a.html
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:47 AM
 
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NOTE: It's commonly asserted that John's use of the word "sabbath" at John 19:31 indicates that the preparation spoken of in his gospel refers to preparing for the usual week-end repose. However, according to John 19:14, the preparation in question was relative to Passover rather than the seventh day of the Jews' week.

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Old 03-02-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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The Jews did indeed prepare for the Passover but the day you are calling day of preparation is actually day of concoction. It's two different words.

The day of concoction occurred during grape Harvest about two months after Passover.

It of course refers to the concocting of wine
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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Lev 23:32 . . it is a sabbath of complete rest for you. You shall humble yourselves. Beginning on the evening of the ninth of the month, you shall keep your sabbath from evening to evening.

That verse is useful for proving that the seventh day of the Jews' week doesn't have a lock on the word sabbath.

Two more special sabbaths like Yom Kippur are Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25) and the first and last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.(Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)

When people are unaware of those special sabbaths they invariably misunderstand John 19:31 to be speaking of the weekly seventh-day sabbath instead of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; which commences at night with the Passover dinner of roasted lambs that were slaughtered and cooked that afternoon prior to sundown.

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Old 03-03-2017, 04:07 AM
 
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Jesus ate the Passover meal before being arrested
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:31 PM
 
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Seeing as how Lev 23:32 reveals the existence of sabbaths other than the usual seventh-day repose, then I'm convinced in my own mind that there were two sabbaths during crucifixion week.

There was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which commenced at sundown the day that Christ was crucified, and there was the regular week-end sabbath spoken of at Matt 28:1 and Mark 16:1-2.

So the real challenge is not finding the three days and three nights the Lord predicted at Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-21. No, an even more difficult challenge is figuring out where to place the two sabbaths in crucifixion week's order of events.

A Catholic once suggested to me that the two sabbaths were together, i.e. they fell on the same date. So I countered that the suggestion would not work to Catholicism's advantage seeing as how the standard Good Friday model is short by one night.

With a little creative finagling it's possible to produce three days with the Good Friday model by counting all day Saturday as one of the three days Christ predicted at John 2:19, and counting Friday afternoon and Sunday morning as two days; thus producing three. But no amount of finagling can produce three nights as per his prediction at Matt 12:40.

The only way that Good Friday's one-night deficit can be rectified is by giving Passover's sabbath and the regular week-end sabbath their own dates; viz: have them run consecutive instead of coincident.

That would push Jesus' crucifixion day to Thursday; but hay, you gotta do what you gotta do in order to come up with those three days and three nights or be the laughing stock of the non Christian world because even a third grader can see right off that the standard Good Friday model's arithmetic doesn't add up.

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Old 03-04-2017, 10:53 PM
 
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Seeing as how Lev 23:32 reveals the existence of sabbaths other than the usual seventh-day repose, then I'm convinced in my own mind that there were two sabbaths during crucifixion week.

There was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which commenced at sundown the day that Christ was crucified, and there was the regular week-end sabbath spoken of at Matt 28:1 and Mark 16:1-2.

So the real challenge is not finding the three days and three nights the Lord predicted at Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-21. No, an even more difficult challenge is figuring out where to place the two sabbaths in crucifixion week's order of events.

A Catholic once suggested to me that the two sabbaths were together, i.e. they fell on the same date. So I countered that the suggestion would not work to Catholicism's advantage seeing as how the standard Good Friday model is short by one night.

With a little creative finagling it's possible to produce three days with the Good Friday model by counting all day Saturday as one of the three days Christ predicted at John 2:19, and counting Friday afternoon and Sunday morning as two days; thus producing three. But no amount of finagling can produce three nights as per his prediction at Matt 12:40.

The only way that Good Friday's one-night deficit can be rectified is by giving Passover's sabbath and the regular week-end sabbath their own dates; viz: have them run consecutive instead of coincident.

That would push Jesus' crucifixion day to Thursday; but hay, you gotta do what you gotta do in order to come up with those three days and three nights or be the laughing stock of the non Christian world because even a third grader can see right off that the standard Good Friday model's arithmetic doesn't add up.

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Yup growing up in church , I used to ask how do you get 3 days from Friday to Sunday and all they could say is that is how the Jews counted time, which really meant they had no clue and were just following a false passed down tradition that jut doesn't add up and never bothered to study for them self.
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Old 03-05-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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There were indeed to Sabbaths. And as I have already explained to you the second Sabbath occurred two months after Passover during the new wine festival which is during grape Harvest. Jesus was crucified two months after he was arrested. Jesus was arrested immediately after the Passover meal.

We know this because there was a total lunar eclipse during the crucifixion. This occurred on Tuesday, June 14, 29ad.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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Q: Well so what if the outside world is laughing at Good Friday just so long as Catholics believe in it?

A: Irrational portrayals of crucifixion week contribute not just to the mockery of Catholics; but also to the losing of people's souls in hell; here's why.

Luke 18:14 . . I tell you, this man went down to his house forgiven rather than the other

No; Jesus didn't say "forgiven" he said justified.

The koiné Greek word is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent.

In order for God to grant the tax man innocence, He couldn't merely forgive him; no, God had to exonerate him; and how does one do that without initiating a miscarriage of justice when there is evidence enough to indict?

Well, according to the Bible, Christ was restored to life for our justification (Rom 4:25). In other words; though Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to obtain forgiveness for people's sins; his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.

1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins.

An acquittal can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God was able to cook the books so that it appears the tax collector never did anything bad. On the surface; this looks very unethical, but from the divine perspective it's all on the up and up.

You can imagine just how serious this is relative to the outside world. If they can be persuaded to mock the order of events in crucifixion week, they can just as easily be persuaded that Jesus' resurrection never happened; viz: they will miss the opportunity to get their records expunged and thus be exonerated. No, a record of their sins will remain on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review.

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Old 03-05-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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The books or scrolls of Revelation 20:12 are NEW books, Not review books. New books would Not be a basis for judgement ( adverse or favorable ) but a new start, or new beginning, under Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
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