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How do you think that heretics should be dealt with? I am referring to those people who cause people to question and to leave the Christian faith. Do you think that moralities have changed and progressed, and that it is better to not kill them today?
If you are a "traditional" Christian, do you think that it was right for heretics to be killed during past centuries by your Christian ancestors?
Do you see a parallel between the killing of Jesus and the killing of so-called "witches" or other heretics?
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You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 8:44
Shooting is too good for us...
Are heretics really responsible for people "leaving" the church simply because they are faced with questions that demand logical answers?
I see heretics as the people who manipulate and shame others to STAY in the church and DENY reasonable discussion.
Are heretics really responsible for people "leaving" the church simply because they are faced with questions that demand logical answers?
Logical - seems innocent enough, but we know that to be naturally minded (carnally - Romans 8) is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
God is spirit, and the logical mind can't believe in Him, and without faith it's impossible to please God.
How do you think that heretics should be dealt with? I am referring to those people who cause people to question and to leave the Christian faith. Do you think that moralities have changed and progressed, and that it is better to not kill them today?
If you are a "traditional" Christian, do you think that it was right for heretics to be killed during past centuries by your Christian ancestors?
Do you see a parallel between the killing of Jesus and the killing of so-called "witches" or other heretics?
***
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 8:44
First of all, the term heretic needs to be defined. As the term applies to Christianity, a heretic is someone who while professing to be a Christian, corrupts the teachings or doctrines of the Christian faith that has once for all been handed down by the apostles to the saints.
A person who identifies himself or herself as a witch but who has never professed to be a Christian is not a heretic but is part of the Wicca religion. From the standpoint of Christianity she would be considered a pagan, but not a heretic.
No, it was never right to kill heretics. But heretical teachings need to be countered with the true teachings of the faith which were taught by the apostles who represented Jesus and His teachings. And a heretic in a local church assembly who insists on causing dissensions within that assembly should be banned from that assembly.
** First of all, the term heretic needs to be defined. As the term applies to Christianity, a heretic is someone who while professing to be a Christian, corrupts the teachings or doctrines of the Christian faith that has once for all been handed down by the apostles to the saints.
A person who identifies himself or herself as a witch but who has never professed to be a Christian is not a heretic but is part of the Wicca religion. From the standpoint of Christianity she would be considered a pagan, but not a heretic.
No, it was never right to kill heretics. But heretical teachings need to be countered with the true teachings of the faith which were taught by the apostles who represented Jesus and His teachings. And a heretic in a local church assembly who insists on causing dissensions within that assembly should be banned from that assembly.
** Which is why so many people reject parts of or entirely the three historic Christian Creeds of the true faith:
ATHANASIAN CREED
was written in combating two errors that undermined Bible teaching.
NICENE CREED
was written in defense of the true Christian faith in order to safeguard the apostles’ teaching.
APOSTLES’ CREED
is a brief statement ofgospel truths taught by the apostles.
added thought: which all three creeds hold to the Deity of Jesus Colossians 2:9 ...
Last edited by twin.spin; 03-23-2017 at 08:52 AM..
Logical - seems innocent enough, but we know that to be naturally minded (carnally - Romans 8) is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
God is spirit, and the logical mind can't believe in Him, and without faith it's impossible to please God.
It is destiny of all great religions
To start as heresy
And end
As superstition.
Which is very true, as look at what was done to say Christ, or Majavir, or Mohamed. Many true prophets and precursors of later accepted faiths were killed. And many religions came and vanished into becoming "cults" and "sects" or woodoo shmoodoo type things.
So how to know, who is heretic and who is next say Christ?
If people need to follow heretics than they and the heretics will all be judged in the end through Jesus who hold the judgment seat in eternity , and the heretics to man may get a pass into heaven , but the heretics to God would be a grave error ......
Well, my question was mainly directed at traditional/orthodox Christians. Has anyone here ever seen "The Crucible" by Henry Miller? It depicts a fictional story set during the Salem Witch trials. But I think it accurately shows how these people are. I think the traditional types are the kind of sheep-like people who are cowards. They don't want to make waves. So they would be like the majority of the townspeople in the story.
Anyone in that story who tried to stand up for the accused witches found themselves being accused of witchcraft also. I can see someone like Jesus standing up for them. But, as Gandhi said, "Christians are not like Jesus."
Well, my question was mainly directed at traditional/orthodox Christians. Has anyone here ever seen "The Crucible" by Henry Miller? It depicts a fictional story set during the Salem Witch trials. But I think it accurately shows how these people are. I think the traditional types are the kind of sheep-like people who are cowards. They don't want to make waves. So they would be like the majority of the townspeople in the story.
Anyone in that story who tried to stand up for the accused witches found themselves being accused of witchcraft also. I can see someone like Jesus standing up for them. But, as Gandhi said, "Christians are not like Jesus."
I think the are the polar opposite of Jesus.
Using fiction, or hypotheticals, now who is being irrational.
Dang it.
You just reminded me of fractions. Stop it.
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