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Old 04-02-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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The minister seemingly expects young couples to go to the minister for guidance when considering marriage or starting a family. If they do not then the minister feels that she has failed the couple(s) and that the couple(s) did not have the confidence in the minister to tell their plans.

Is this a minister with higher than normal expectations?

 
Old 04-02-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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control, simply a means of control and at a later date instill guilt & shame
 
Old 04-02-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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If the ministry leans toward an arrogance then it is expected that people not have the confidence of the ministry , where as if the ministry is family of God then the pride will not be evident , so if there is a hierarchy in the church were people are devalued then couples may turn to court house to be married , see there may be different factors at play and it may depend on the heart of the couple and their level of confidence in the Lord , with the confidence in the leaders of the church
 
Old 04-02-2017, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The minister seemingly expects young couples to go to the minister for guidance when considering marriage or starting a family. If they do not then the minister feels that she has failed the couple(s) and that the couple(s) did not have the confidence in the minister to tell their plans.

Is this a minister with higher than normal expectations?

Not enough information. The minister may well have conveyed the idea that she only has the best interest of the couple at heart and is a trustworthy and experienced counsellor, but that idea may have met with blocks in the perception of one or both of the people involved, often because OTHER "authority figures" have failed them.


All a minister can do is be faithful to her charge and maybe ask if a seriously involved couple would LIKE to talk about some of the things that will face them at ANY stage of their relationship.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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The minister seemingly expects young couples to go to the minister for guidance when considering marriage or starting a family. If they do not then the minister feels that she has failed the couple(s) and that the couple(s) did not have the confidence in the minister to tell their plans.

Is this a minister with higher than normal expectations?
I would say a broken brain is at work with the minister.

that is not to say guidance is a bad thing. adult guidance is a good thing, but not the only thing.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 04:18 PM
 
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The minister seemingly expects young couples to go to the minister for guidance when considering marriage or starting a family. If they do not then the minister feels that she has failed the couple(s) and that the couple(s) did not have the confidence in the minister to tell their plans.

Is this a minister with higher than normal expectations?
That should NEVER EVER HAPPEN EVER, NO, I mean that it should NEVER EVER HAPPEN, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A couple that submits under the authority of a minister is an enemy of their own house and their own authority and the two are one, their minister is not the third party.


I wouldn't recommend that a couple should EVER seek council of a preacher JUST BECAUSE they think the preacher has some sort of magical guidance that maybe he even says that you two shouldn't be married.


If you have to take a class of a preacher to get married, I would look at you in a very peculiar way.




Just don't.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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"she" was the key word in the OP.
This sexist comment is no surprise.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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The minister seemingly expects young couples to go to the minister for guidance when considering marriage or starting a family. If they do not then the minister feels that she has failed the couple(s) and that the couple(s) did not have the confidence in the minister to tell their plans.

Is this a minister with higher than normal expectations?

I am not a minister, however, I would not perform a marriage ceremony for two people who did not share something of themselves with me. I think it is normal for a minister to request a guidance meeting before performing a marriage. If these two think otherwise, why not go to the justice of the peace, etc. I think this situation shows that the minister realizes that marriage is a very serious thing and not to be entered into lightly or on a whim.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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That should NEVER EVER HAPPEN EVER, NO, I mean that it should NEVER EVER HAPPEN, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A couple that submits under the authority of a minister is an enemy of their own house and their own authority and the two are one, their minister is not the third party.


I wouldn't recommend that a couple should EVER seek council of a preacher JUST BECAUSE they think the preacher has some sort of magical guidance that maybe he even says that you two shouldn't be married.


If you have to take a class of a preacher to get married, I would look at you in a very peculiar way.




Just don't.
This is preposterous. What is wrong with discussing the serious ramifications of holy matrimony before performing a marriage ceremony? Most all houses of worship do this and there is nothing unusual about it. What is unusual is that the couple finds it to be troublesome. If they find this to be too much trouble, they probably are not ready for the challenges of marriage.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 10:16 PM
 
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control, simply a means of control and at a later date instill guilt & shame
How can you possibly make such a ridiculous judgement of someone you know NOTHING about? Your comment is incredibly presumptuous.
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