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Old 04-30-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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Simon Bar Kochba...
another failure who will also meet him at his tree and you all can tell the Lord of hosts all about how you are better saviors..
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 7

3 You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son.


4 For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others, and the wrath of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.


Rashi's Commentary:

For he will turn away your son from following Me: i.e., the heathen’s son, if he marries your daughter, will turn away your [grand]son whom your daughter will bear to him, from following Me. This teaches us that your daughter’s son, born of a heathen man, is called “your son,” but your son’s son, born of a heathen woman, is not called “your son,” but “her son.” For Scripture [first says, “Do not give your daughter to his son, and do not take his daughter for your son.” Then it follows with “For he will turn away your son….” However], referring to “do not take his daughter,” it does not say“For she will turn away your son…” [because he is considered her son, not yours (Kid. 68b).
and that is rooted in what older culture than hebrew ? OH now your going to have to stretchhhhhhh for it..
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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another failure who will also meet him at his tree and you all can tell the Lord of hosts all about how you are better saviors..
You just totally missed the point...Bar Kochba actually fulfilled more of the Messianic prophecies than did your Jesus...This is why he had a large following...
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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and that is rooted in what older culture than hebrew ? OH now your going to have to stretchhhhhhh for it..
I don't have to stretch for nothing...You make no sense to begin with and everyone here sees it...
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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The King of Assyria took the ten tribes out and then he brought the sons of Ishmael and Esau to live beside the Jews just as it had always been. God has his people and he has continuously put Gentiles next to his people to become one but they never do.


That Samaritan woman was making a false claim when she said that her father was Jacob.


When those gentiles were brought and placed in the houses of the ten tribes, they said that the God of the land was persecuting them because they didn't know his ways.


700 years before Jesus came, one priest was brought back from the ten lost tribes to teach THE NEW HOUSE OF ISRAEL how to worship as the ten tribes had worshipped. Unfortunately, God ended the kingdom of Ephraim because they separated from Judah and the ways of Jerusalem.
For 700 years they just claimed to be Israel when it was a benefit to them, but if a ruler came that didn't like Jews, they said that the king of Assyria had planted them there, and they had nothing to do with Jews. They proved themselves to be liars century after century, and they were always telling the lie when it was of benefit to them.


5 times, God had put Gentiles next to his people to become one, the 6th time was Judah. This is why Jesus tells her, '' You have had 5 husbands but the one you live with now is not your husband.''


Adam
Noah
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob


Judah ~ The one the Samaritans were living with but not married to.




This is why Jesus came offering a promised betrothal to Galilee of the nations in the land of Zebulun and Isaachar, in the land of Joseph and his ten tribes, the kingdom of Ephraim called the house of Israel.''Samaria''


The friend of the bridegroom went out to prepare those Samaritans for a betrothal to a Jew that they might get married and become one. So they did, Gentiles took the betrothal, but 100 years later, they separated, 100 years after Jesus.


Then the gentiles turned and separated as they always do, they separated from the Jew they got betrothed too, and now the Jews stand alone again, and another husband has come to those gentiles who separated from Jews and God's worship system once again, and he aint a Jew.




Personally, Blood has absolutely no meaning to me. I don't believe anyone's blood is different.
When God allowed the Assyrians to conquer the northern kingdom of Israel because of their disobedience to God, do you seriously think that there was no rape and intermarriage of the captive Jewish women? Likewise the Babylonians? Be serious.
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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When God allowed the Assyrians to conquer the northern kingdom of Israel because of their disobedience to God, do you seriously think that there was no rape and intermarriage of the captive Jewish women? Likewise the Babylonians? Be serious.
G-d ALLOWED it?...


Why, because that is what you would do if you were a conquerer?...
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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When God allowed the Assyrians to conquer the northern kingdom of Israel because of their disobedience to God, do you seriously think that there was no rape and intermarriage of the captive Jewish women? Likewise the Babylonians? Be serious.

What Jewish women?


There was no Jews when the king of Assyria took Ephraim.


There was no Jews when Elijah was sent to judge Ephraim because of his rejection of God's worship system and Jerusalem. There were no Jews when Elijah called down fire in Israel against the prophets of Baal. The sons of the prophets of Israel who were following Elijah and Elisha were not Jews, they were of Ephraim.


Big difference between Jews and gentiles of Ephraim.


God has never given up on Judah, the sins of the house of Israel called,'' Ephraim,'' is not the sins of Judah.






The Northern kingdom of the house of Israel called Ephraim, living in the land of Joseph, THEY rejected God and instituted Christmas and Easter.


God ended their kingdom but there would come a time in the future when Gentiles will reject Easter and Christmas to come back repenting that they dared to have anything to do with any other God.


Hosea 1
6And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. 7But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.


When Paul is speaking in Romans about Israel, people all assume that he is speaking about Jews when he is not.


Paul is speaking about the destruction of the house of Israel because they rejected Jerusalem, Judah and the feasts to institute Christmas and Easter. Later, Christians would adopt these same ancient holy days of Babylon and reject God.


God had ended Ephraim because they became gentiles before God ever rejected them and so God says,'' YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE/GENTILES,'' and I will not be your God.




This has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews, but Christians will read Romans as if there was never two kingdoms, they lump Israel with Judah and this cannot be done.






Why did God end the Northern Kingdom of Israel called Ephraim?




Jeroboam's Idolatry
25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out from there and built Penuel. 26Jeroboam said in his heart, "Now the kingdom will return to the house of David. 27"If this people go up to offer sacrifices in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then the heart of this people will return to their lord, even to Rehoboam king of Judah; and they will kill me and return to Rehoboam king of Judah."…





Constantine's Idolatry
25 Then Constantine built Rome in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out and built Babylon. 26 Constantine said in his heart, '' Now the kingdom will return to the house of David. 27''If this people go up to offer sacrifices IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD AT JERUSALEM, then the heart of this people will return to their Lord, even to Jesus king of Judah, and they will kill me and return to Jesus king of Judah.




EXACT same thing, and people say there is no God, God made Christianity do EXACTLY what Jeroboam had done with the same exact holy days of Babylon.




The house of Israel and the house of Judah are two SEPERATE kingdoms, two separate nations, they despised and hated each other for good reason.......




We see all this stuff in Syria today, Christianity is a confederate to Syria and as Damascus will go, so will Christianity who is a confederate against Judah SO BAD, that they allied with Syria against Judah.


2 completely separate people are Judah and Ephraim.


Jews and Gentiles, they became gentiles the day they walked away from David, the day they walked away from Jerusalem and said,'' O Israel, what do we have to do with these filthy Jews of David?''


We shall divide, just like Christianity did, they did the EXACT same thing.




Just be careful, I mean, there is a HUGE difference between Judah and Ephraim......

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Old 04-30-2017, 10:34 PM
 
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1 Kings 14




"He will give up Israel{Ephraim/Not Judah} on account of the sins of Jeroboam, which he committed and with which he made Israel to sin."


What are the sins of Jeroboam?




Jeroboam's Idolatry
25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out from there and built Penuel. 26Jeroboam said in his heart, "Now the kingdom will return to the house of David. 27"If this people go up to offer sacrifices in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then the heart of this people will return to their lord, even to Rehoboam king of Judah; and they will kill me and return to Rehoboam king of Judah."…
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:02 AM
 
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1 Kings 14




"He will give up Israel{Ephraim/Not Judah} on account of the sins of Jeroboam, which he committed and with which he made Israel to sin."


What are the sins of Jeroboam?




Jeroboam's Idolatry
25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out from there and built Penuel. 26Jeroboam said in his heart, "Now the kingdom will return to the house of David. 27"If this people go up to offer sacrifices in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then the heart of this people will return to their lord, even to Rehoboam king of Judah; and they will kill me and return to Rehoboam king of Judah."…

Yes, and the wicked king in man is saying exactly the same thing today....IT IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO GO UP TO JERUSALEM TO WORSHIP.....stay here and worship your idols instead. Peace
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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G-d ALLOWED it?...

Why, because that is what you would do if you were a conquerer?...
I don't think I would, but it was common back then to do whatever you wanted to with a conquered enemy. The Jews killed almost all of the people they conquered when they entered Canaan, why would you think the Gentiles would be more gentle in whatever they did?


When Assyria conquered the northern kingdom of Israel, there were 10 tribes of Israel living there. The Assyrians brought in a lot of foreigners to intermix with the Jews, and those people (Samaritans) were despised by the Jews in Judea (tribes of Judah and Benjamin) because of their mixed parentage.


Jesus focused His ministry on the poor and disenfranchised - those who admitted their sin and wanted the forgiveness of God, not on the proud, 'wise' Jewish leaders who felt no need to be forgiven.


It is no accident that He touched the lepers (considered to be unclean), to heal them; His first 4 apostles were fishermen; He close a despised tax collector, Matthew, to be an apostle; He witnessed to the Samaritan woman at the well; He gives a parable of the good Samaritan who helps the man beaten by robbers, while the Jewish priests passed him by; He deliberately challenges the myriad Jewish laws by healing on the Sabbath; He saves the Jewish woman about to be stoned for adultery; He witnesses to a demon-possessed woman who becomes His faithful servant (Mary Magdalene).


Yes, there were some rich and powerful, who accepted Him as the Son of God, but His ministry was mostly to the common man, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.
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