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I see a lot in it, you've just got to dig deeper. The first clue to what is going on is the threshing floor and winnowing barley. Barley is a first fruits, a type of overcomer, a kind of person who is willing to go through the removal of the chaff, the circumcision of the heart. The threshing floor was the threshing floor of David where he built an altar and did sacrifice, a low set rock type of foundation stone, a type of Christ, set outside the city so that the wind could blow away the chaff. He was taken outside the city to be crucified.
The instructions she got were identical to a priest who is getting ready to serve, and change his garments. A person fasting is told to wash their face and anoint it with oil. The fact she obeyed and chose an old man, meant that all respect of persons (choosing what she couldn't see as opposed to what she could, exactly the opposite of Eve) had been overcome and she was obedient to the Spirit and not the lusting of the flesh for money/mammon/self gain or the lust of the flesh for youthful vigor of a mate.
There's a lot more to be gleaned if you look up the Hebrew word meanings, too. Peace
So what about the part to wait until after he got done drinking? Is there symbolism there as well?
Maybe if she had did all of this and went to him in the middle of the day, I could see your point. How about how Boaz told her to leave?
Ruth 3:14 - So she lay at his feet until morning and rose before one could recognize another; and he said, "Let it not be known that the woman came to the threshing floor.
He told her to leave while it was dark and tell no one about it. Why go thru all of that - if this was proper thing to do?
I can go for symbolism where it's warranted - but not at the cost of reality.
He told her to leave while it was dark and tell no one about it. Why go thru all of that - if this was proper thing to do?
I can go for symbolism where it's warranted - but not at the cost of reality.
what do you demand your wife do to prove she loves you ? I am sure there is plenty. as does God command we do things like almost kill their child as a sacrifice or any other sort of Object lesson ... how can we count the ways he asks us to step out in faith knowing that he is our protection and our truth.
it is so hard to do .. and so easy to pretend that our God never would or has ever asked or demand we or anyone believe him enough to jump out of the plane and believe he is our parachute in any or all situations in this life . I'm guessing you haven't actually met him have you dear ? just don't have a real marriage with him either right? because he will asks as much as any spouse will ask for you to prove you love them. that is the kind of relationship he has to have with us in order for us to trust him for and through what is coming into this world. in order to build into us what it takes to trust him for our lives or not, but still knowing he will ressurrect us on his day .
You are missing the paradox and the subversive story of the lineage of David and ultimately, Jesus.
Go back to the Sodom and Gomorrah story. Lost in all the dancing and shrieking about gay rape is THE ACTUAL REASON for the telling of the story, which is that the Moabites and Ammonites are descended from inbred bastards--the sons of Lot and his daughters.
But Ruth is a Moabite, and a matriarch of the royal line. Imagine that. As Jesus tends to demonstrate, the rules of human society are not always the rules of God.
hahaha, true,
content without context is a pretext to a textproof.
Thats the typical atheist approach to the bible.
Find a parable, pose it as a real story then prove it impossible.
And they even notice the lie slipping through their mind.
it is not a parable !
the only lies around here are the lies are in the mind of men of no belief and no faith !
Not God and not the book!
lies are what sin hides behind.
To me, this is the story of a smart aggressive young woman who seduces a rich man by getting into his bed at night. That's it. Period. You see these kind of women all the time.
Is that the only lesson of the story? How a poor woman can seduce a rich man? What am I missing here? I've read the story many times. Why is it in the Bible? What does it have to do with religion?
You need a better Bible or some serious lessons to help your reading comprehension.
He was her kinsman redeemer, a type of Christ. She was a type of our soul, and laid at his feet in humility and submission, not to seduce. He had a choice of redeeming her or not, just as Christ had.
EVERYTHING in there is about the reuniting of soul and Spirit, ie. undoing what A and E did in the garden. The sooner you look for the types of this, the quicker you see the big picture. Peace
Good summary. Top bad it will fall on ignorant ears.
I taught this in adult Sunday School a couple of months ago and suggested kinda the same thing. However - to your point above, it was Ruth's mother-in-law, Naomi, who set up the plan for Ruth to seduce Boaz after he had drunk some wine.
Naomi is usually lifted up as some sort of heroine... I said she sent Ruth into a tempting situation. However, the hand of the Lord and the character of Boaz prevented a tempting situation from turning into sinful mess.
One lady in the class thought I was taking a dark view of the situation. I told her I was being real. Naomi was trying to use sex to get Boaz to marry Ruth, and get her basic needs taken care of. I don't think Naomi was inherently evil, but she attempted to use a worldly method to solve a problem.
The thing about it was that Boaz was already interested in Ruth to begin with. All of Naomi's scheming was unnecessary.
At the end of the day - this is part of the lineage of Jesus Christ (read into the background of the families), which is probably why the account is included.
If you think the book of Ruth is about sex, you have missed the whole point of the book.
So what about the part to wait until after he got done drinking? Is there symbolism there as well?
Maybe if she had did all of this and went to him in the middle of the day, I could see your point. How about how Boaz told her to leave?
Ruth 3:14 - So she lay at his feet until morning and rose before one could recognize another; and he said, "Let it not be known that the woman came to the threshing floor.
He told her to leave while it was dark and tell no one about it. Why go thru all of that - if this was proper thing to do?
I can go for symbolism where it's warranted - but not at the cost of reality.
If there was something immoral about their conduct, they would have gone into the barn and had sex. Boaz told he if he could redeem her he would.
You are missing the paradox and the subversive story of the lineage of David and ultimately, Jesus.
The story is neither a paradox nor subversive. It is an allegory. For those who don't know, allegories are always based on a literal event.
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Go back to the Sodom and Gomorrah story. Lost in all the dancing and shrieking about gay rape is THE ACTUAL REASON for the telling of the story, which is that the Moabites and Ammonites are descended from inbred bastards--the sons of Lot and his daughters.
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah was about an attempted homosexual rape and it is ridiculous to say that is the ACTUAL REASON for telling the story. You need to do some research on the "kinsman redeemer."
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But Ruth is a Moabite, and a matriarch of the royal line. Imagine that. As Jesus tends to demonstrate, the rules of human society are not always the rules of God.
If God's rules were the rules of human society, human society would be much better than it is today.
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