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Originally Posted by Meerkat2
Hannibal, I do agree with you on some things but it is not about everyone becoming either a "Jew" or "Christian" You can't mix what is meant to relate to the individual and say it relates the the corporate, or mix the symbol with the item/object, it seems to me that is where you get confusing doctrines like the trinity, eternal torment, etc... there is the individual where we do have to ability to choose right over wrong however God is also building his kingdom on earth and the 12 tribes will administer it for him.
So for me I am not going to try to be a Jew or a Christian or a label I will love God and love my neighbor, and also love the truth.
How I see it is God has divided the nations to achieve a purpose which he will accomplish in his time and in his way
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I can roll with this too.
If those 12 tribes, those 144,000 listed in Revelation is what it is, I have no problem with it at all, just understand what it means.
It means that ONLY the Jew or Israeli can become a firstfruit, ONLY Israel is sealed and protected in their forehead against the judgment of Yom Kippur. ONLY Israel and Israel alone be gathered to rule and reign with the Lord while all gentiles will be servants to them.
If you are not Israel, there is a really big problem and anyone not Israel may as well put the bible down because if he cannot become Israel, his fate is secured.
A Gentile CAN become a Levite, and if a Gentile can become a Levite, he can be counted amongst any tribe.
Romans 2:28
A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical.
Romans 9:4
the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory and the covenants; theirs the giving of the Law, the temple worship, and the promises.
Romans 9
Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”…
Romans 9
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they
are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham,
are they all children: but, In
Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these
are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this
is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10And not only
this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one,
even by our father Isaac;
11(For
the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Meerkat, The tribes come down from Isaac, ARE YOU OF ISAAC?
Are you also of Ishmael and Hagar?
Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had
two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice,
thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him
that was born after the Spirit, even so
it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
You are of Isaac because all the lineage shows allegory helping us to understand just what we are.
The New testament is showing us what we are in flesh and in spirit and there are always two sons born through the lineages to show the son of the flesh and the son of the spirit.
That Israel is not Israel just because they were born a Jew.
You are of Hagar and Sarah being two covenant where there is a law for the flesh and a law for the spirit.
If you cannot be counted amongst those 144,000 tribes, it would be a very sad thing for a gentile.
Are you the seed of Isaac, are you Israel?