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God uses the evil to punish the evil. I don't think the modern church understands this widely. I was impressed with this sermon until the very last part where he says God will not save those who bow down and worship him when they finally see.
God uses the evil to punish the evil. I don't think the modern church understands this widely. I was impressed with this sermon until the very last part where he says God will not save those who bow down and worship him when they finally see.
How about God uses the sun to shine on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Change the way you look at things and the things you look at change . Dyer
I wasn't speaking about God shining righteousness on everyone. I was speaking about the way God judges the world. I guess in your mind, no one is ever judged. Doesn't make any sense to me, the way you try to tell it. Sure, it would be great if no one was wicked and no one needed to be punished, but clearly, that is not the case. Otherwise, why, why, why would God allow suffering, rage, pain, blood, mortality and death ?
I wasn't speaking about God shining righteousness on everyone. I was speaking about the way God judges the world. I guess in your mind, no one is ever judged. Doesn't make any sense to me, the way you try to tell it. Sure, it would be great if no one was wicked and no one needed to be punished, but clearly, that is not the case. Otherwise, why, why, why would God allow suffering, rage, pain, blood, mortality and death ?
I know what you mean and agree that there is accountability and God uses nations to punish nations. I think where it gets mixed up is those who have been exposed to traditional theology of Jesus followers = good, everyone else = bad and eternally tormented that the knee jerk reaction can be to deny punishment.
**In Christian speak punishment seems to = eternal torment
I wasn't speaking about God shining righteousness on everyone. I was speaking about the way God judges the world. I guess in your mind, no one is ever judged. Doesn't make any sense to me, the way you try to tell it. Sure, it would be great if no one was wicked and no one needed to be punished, but clearly, that is not the case. Otherwise, why, why, why would God allow suffering, rage, pain, blood, mortality and death ?
Those of us who believe that God gave us Dominion over this earth by His Sovereign Will do not expect God to intervene and revoke our Dominion. The only judgment necessary is the reaping of whatever we sow. If after our death we have to experience every harm or hurt we have ever inflicted on anyone else and NOT repented for while refining out the dross from our Spirit ---- and our victims experience healing of their Spirits, comforting, and love ---- then what need is there for further judgment.
I know what you mean and agree that there is accountability and God uses nations to punish nations. I think where it gets mixed up is those who have been exposed to traditional theology of Jesus followers = good, everyone else = bad and eternally tormented that the knee jerk reaction can be to deny punishment.
**In Christian speak punishment seems to = eternal torment
Thanks for clarifying. I don't believe anyone is all good or all evil. Nor do I believe in eternal torment. So I am not a modern traditional Christian. Without consequences to sin, how would we ever learn righteousness?
I wasn't speaking about God shining righteousness on everyone. I was speaking about the way God judges the world. I guess in your mind, no one is ever judged. Doesn't make any sense to me, the way you try to tell it. Sure, it would be great if no one was wicked and no one needed to be punished, but clearly, that is not the case. Otherwise, why, why, why would God allow suffering, rage, pain, blood, mortality and death ?
So, do you think that "suffering, rage, pain, and blood" are only visited on wicked people? What about cancer victims, victims of drunken drivers, murder victims, victims of child abuse, or terrorism victims? Were all of those people who were being "judged" and in need of punishment?
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