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Old 05-21-2017, 01:37 AM
 
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Possibly to the idea that exercises are only that. That what is important is carrying out a valid intent in your life and community.
Possibly what is meant by one's righteousness exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisees...And Paul said to practice righteousness...Practice leads to perfection...
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Old 05-21-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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Possibly what is meant by one's righteousness exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisees...And Paul said to practice righteousness...Practice leads to perfection...
The "practice" of your quote simply means to continue to do, not like "practice your lessons."

Language usage.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:12 AM
 
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The "practice" of your quote simply means to continue to do, not like "practice your lessons."

Language usage.
And back to how do you know what's righteous?...
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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And back to how do you know what's righteous?...
You look to the principle that Jesus taught as basis for living in community with God and man: the concern for the well-being of others that IS "agape."

Principle, not rules that should be derived from that.
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Old 05-23-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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And How does one know what is righteous?...Use Torah as a measuring stick...
Those who followed the Torah scourged and crucified Christ, Richard. Was that righteous?
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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Those who followed the Torah scourged and crucified Christ, Richard. Was that righteous?

There was nothing wrong with the Torah, it was the people using it that were at fault. Peace
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Old 05-24-2017, 02:29 AM
 
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You look to the principle that Jesus taught as basis for living in community with God and man: the concern for the well-being of others that IS "agape."
Principle, not rules that should be derived from that.
It seems that those who believe in law do not have any standard or objective principle to go by. They simply want to follow rules even when they conflict with any sense of righteousness or love. It is very strange since they are told in their own Bible that God IS love (agape).
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Old 05-24-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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Yes......It is as simple as love God and love your neighbour as yourself BUT if you look at the world you can see a lot who do not do this.... we need to hold onto the love, sometimes we see a part of the plan then pride comes in and we revel in our own knowledge and think it is about us instead of Gods kingdom which is this

Gal 5:16 But I say, Walk in the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another; lest whatever you may will, these things you do.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under Law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you beforehand, as I also said before, that the ones practicing such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 meekness, self-control. Against such things there is not a law.
Gal 5:24 But the ones belonging to Christ crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become vainglorious, provoking one another, envying one another.

God has his plan which he is revealing progressively .......

The law was added for those who do not do not love God and love neighbour ...... the reconciliation is through Christ

Acts 6 ~ Stephen also asked that those liars and murderers be forgiven. They paid two witnesses to tell the famous lie that Stephen and all the disciples were teaching Jews not to keep the laws of Moses.


13And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

The Stoning of Stephen
…58They dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59While they were stoning him, Stephen appealed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60Falling on his knees, he cried out in a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.…









Here are the same lies about Paul, when they were about to kill Paul for the same lies.


1And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.


and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law






You quote Galatians as if Paul was teaching Jews not to keep the laws of Moses, which is it?


Is he a two faced liar that only proved his innocence, or is this scripture correct?


If the scripture is not correct, let us throw out Acts, and anything Paul wrote because either way, he is a fraud if you think he was teaching Jews not to keep the laws.


I don't understand how people live with these contradictions, I simply believe what is written, but if Paul lied in Acts 21, it means that he not only lied to save his own skin, he lied to everyone there and pretended to be something he wasn't and so his words are invalid.


This doesn't fall into interpretation, anyone can read in English what it says.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:42 AM
 
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Acts 6 ~ Stephen also asked that those liars and murderers be forgiven. They paid two witnesses to tell the famous lie that Stephen and all the disciples were teaching Jews not to keep the laws of Moses.


13And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

The Stoning of Stephen
…58They dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59While they were stoning him, Stephen appealed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60Falling on his knees, he cried out in a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.…


Here are the same lies about Paul, when they were about to kill Paul for the same lies.


1And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.


and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law

You quote Galatians as if Paul was teaching Jews not to keep the laws of Moses, which is it?


Is he a two faced liar that only proved his innocence, or is this scripture correct?


If the scripture is not correct, let us throw out Acts, and anything Paul wrote because either way, he is a fraud if you think he was teaching Jews not to keep the laws.


I don't understand how people live with these contradictions, I simply believe what is written, but if Paul lied in Acts 21, it means that he not only lied to save his own skin, he lied to everyone there and pretended to be something he wasn't and so his words are invalid.


This doesn't fall into interpretation, anyone can read in English what it says.

I know, right? They always believe what they've been taught by their denom or what they've heard, but never what's there in black and white. Peace
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Old 05-24-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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I know, right? They always believe what they've been taught by their denom or what they've heard, but never what's there in black and white. Peace
Could it be because there are contradictory statements and stories recorded in the New Testament that came out of the Ebionite confrontation?

Or could it be that no one discouraged following Jewish tradition, but said it was not necessary... like those "required sacrifices" that are no longer "required?"
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