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Old 07-02-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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I'm not exalting ANYONE but Him and His power, and since I don't have any more respect of persons (which is at it's root in the garden, preferring what I can see and touch to what I can't, ie. flesh/natural instead of Spirit), I DON'T CARE who He chooses to reveal it through, the ONLY important thing is that He does.


Take a closer look at the lives of the OT examples; none of them were stellar in their flesh, yet He used those imperfect vessels to bring glory to His name./NATURE. Like it or not those men you're condemning have brought myriads to belief in Christ. WHO are you to judge another man's servant? Peace
Lol. You condemn that which you support and follow. Follow Christ in you and not the fake signs and wonders outside of you that you are attracted to.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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But the cut was not opened by condemnation . What is wrong with you, are you really that blind you do not see this?,Jesus the word of God never condemned anyone and neither did he use scripture to condemn anyone . So that being the case where is your scripture to support condemnation through the Word of God... Jesus Christ?.

Your failure to understand comes from your lack of a foundation. The Word is the same as the TORAH, the letter of which KILLS. It/He has a ministry of CONDEMNATION; we are told that. THAT is also the WORD that was in the garden as the tree of life, BECAUSE it is a double edged sword that both kills (the flesh) and makes alive (the spirit).

In fact, it is BOTH TREES, just as the golden candlestick and the table of showbread are one and the same; one is the mirror image of the other, one (table of showbread) is the natural version of the spiritual reality (golden candlestick). Which is why eating of the table of showbread WITHOUT the candlestick (comparing spiritual to spiritual and natural) brings death, and IS darkness. And we ALL have all of this in us, operating in exactly the same way, whether you're aware of it or not.

This is why there were TWO TREES in the MIDST of the GARDEN, because the Tabernacle pattern shows these same two trees as the candlestick and the table of showbread, in the MIDST of the Tabernacle. Don't you know we are the planting of the Lord AND His Tabernacle?

Now listen to it this way. In the beginning was Torah, and Torah was with (as in outside of) G-d, and Torah was (also) in G-d (I am in Him and He is in Me). And Jesus (the Spirit Seed Son within him, which is Torah) was THIS Torah made flesh/visible natural/LITERAL. Put another way, He was the candlestick enrobed in the table of showbread. Which is why He said, when breaking bread, THIS IS MY BODY, EAT ME.

And is why He said His Word/Torah is a lamp (candlestick) unto our feet. The "feet" are in the outer court portion of the Tabernacle (imagine a man lying prostrate in it). Peace
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:31 PM
 
Location: New England
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Your failure to understand comes from your lack of a foundation. The Word is the same as the TORAH, the letter of which KILLS. It/He has a ministry of CONDEMNATION; we are told that. THAT is also the WORD that was in the garden as the tree of life, BECAUSE it is a double edged sword that both kills (the flesh) and makes alive (the spirit).


In fact, it is BOTH TREES, just as the golden candlestick and the table of showbread are one and the same; one is the mirror image of the other, one (table of showbread) is the natural version of the spiritual reality (golden candlestick). Which is why eating of the table of showbread WITHOUT the candlestick (comparing spiritual to spiritual and natural) brings death, and IS darkness. And we ALL have all of this in us, operating in exactly the same way, whether you're aware of it or not.


This is why there were TWO TREES in the MIDST of the GARDEN, because the Tabernacle pattern shows these same two trees as the candlestick and the table of showbread, in the MIDST of the Tabernacle. Don't you know we are the planting of the Lord AND His Tabernacle?


Now listen to it this way. In the beginning was Torah, and Torah was with (as in outside of) G-d, and Torah was (also) in G-d (I am in Him and He is in Me). And Jesus (the Spirit Seed Son within him, which is Torah) was THIS Torah made flesh/visible natural/LITERAL. Put another way, He was the candlestick enrobed in the table of showbread. Which is why He said, when breaking bread, THIS IS MY BODY, EAT ME. Peace
You cannot reason, this is your big problem. There was no condemnation in the garden, man saw something else than God to reach out to and trust. That was is downfall. Bible fundamentalists like yourself who view God in the way you do have made a bad situation worse by using the scriptures to support your condemnation beliefs and to beat up on folk. 32 years you have been doing this, you if you do not repent will die in your sins.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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You should sell the Torah to the bull fighters.

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Old 07-02-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Lol. You condemn that which you support and follow. Follow Christ in you and not the fake signs and wonders outside of you that you are attracted to.

What would YOU know of signs and wonders? They are SUPPOSED to follow them that believe, and they do, because the Word does not lie. So if signs and wonders are NOT following you, then you need to check your "belief", because you got in the wrong line somewhere. Peace
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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You cannot reason, this is your big problem. There was no condemnation in the garden, man saw something else than God to reach out to and trust. That was is downfall. Bible fundamentalists like yourself who view God in the way you do have made a bad situation worse by using the scriptures to support your condemnation beliefs and to beat up on folk. 32 years you have been doing this, you if you do not repent will die in your sins.



And you cannot grasp anything but your own short sighted man made doctrines that G-D did not teach you. No condemnation in the garden? Again, what book are you reading? There was law breaking (every WORD that comes from the mouth of G-d we live or have life from) and subsequent penalties enacted with an eye to our ultimate good, because HIS judgments are always unto victory. The double edges sword was always there, because Torah has always been.

Do you have any idea that being set free of the law of sin and death is a REAL SPIRITUAL experience just like initial salvation is? It's sort of like taking ahold of a 10,000 volt cable you are so quickened with His power and Spirit. Peace
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Jesus, speaking as the Spirit (what He heard His Father speak) basically said I (the Spirit) do not condemn you, but the Word (letter to kill the flesh) condemns you. You just can't seem to grasp the purpose of that double edged sword, preferring to remove one side of it to appease your flesh.

And I number those that preach a lifeless, powerless, cross-less gospel for self enrichment (mammon) among those Jesus ripped, ie. those that sell doves. Peace
Cite the scripture please. "Generally" does not get down to specifics. You were asked for specifics.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:44 PM
 
Location: New England
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What would YOU know of signs and wonders? They are SUPPOSED to follow them that believe, and they do, because the Word does not lie. So if signs and wonders are NOT following you, then you need to check your "belief", because you got in the wrong line somewhere. Peace
So I take it you are raising the dead ,multiplying fish and loaves, turning water into wine. You are a fraud, simple as that with a ministry of condemnation that excuses yourself because you think you can justify yourself by believing the correct things . I actually do believe ALL things are possible, that there is not a desire that cannot be quenched, that I can ask anything that I want and I wil receive it, that doors will be opened to where I want to go.. . What's more I know these things by experiences in spite of having no time for your bible beliefs. Xx Namaste
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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You should sell the Torah to the bull fighters.

And if your heart was right really seeking HIS Truth, you would be seeking Torah and understand what I wrote. But you aren't, and you don't. Peace
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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55But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; 56for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”] And they went on to another village.
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