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Old 03-19-2008, 11:36 AM
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Yes. Amen to this post, Curly. God is able and He knows all about us.

To everyone else who posted questions and responses to my posts,... I guess I feel that I've added enough to this thread. I do not want to discuss the merits of Freudian psychology... or of any study of human sexuality. I am solid in my convictions - as are you.

As someone who grew up in a home where there was every kind of abuse and pornography... I have personally experienced the pain suffered by the victims of sexual abuse. I've worked closely with adult Alcohol and Drug people and in the Juvenile jails.

My ministry is not about judgment but about freedom....

We are in the world but not of the world.

If anyone really wants to know how God feels about the subject of this thread, God will reveal His heart...

There is therefore now no condemnation... Romans 8:1

God Bless!
Amen!!! There is nothing to big for God the Father. He will draw the broken heart and pour the balm of healing upon that soul.
The freedom that comes to one's heart, hearing the very words from the Father "I love you"! There is nothing that can shadow those words!!!!
Blessings.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:28 PM
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I don't think everyone masterbates. I think pop culture and sex ed. have engrained much of society into believing it to be natural and normal. Without the input i think many would never think of it and i think that many do not. NOt because they are abnormal but because it doesn't occur to them. So whether its wrong or not is one conversation...the other may be why its so assumed that everyone does it when i know for a fact that significant portions of society neither do it nor are tempted to.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:20 PM
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I don't think everyone masterbates. I think pop culture and sex ed. have engrained much of society into believing it to be natural and normal. Without the input i think many would never think of it and i think that many do not. NOt because they are abnormal but because it doesn't occur to them. So whether its wrong or not is one conversation...the other may be why its so assumed that everyone does it when i know for a fact that significant portions of society neither do it nor are tempted to.
I had never heard the term, but I quickly figured it out at age 13! It's completely natural.

You know for a fact, huh?
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:31 PM
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I don't think everyone masterbates. I think pop culture and sex ed. have engrained much of society into believing it to be natural and normal. Without the input i think many would never think of it and i think that many do not. NOt because they are abnormal but because it doesn't occur to them. So whether its wrong or not is one conversation...the other may be why its so assumed that everyone does it when i know for a fact that significant portions of society neither do it nor are tempted to.
Do you honestly think that Masturbation is a recent addition to humanology? Yes. Humanology is not a word.

Anywho.. seriously.. its been going on for a long long long long long time. So in my view it has zero to do with "popular culture" and much more to do with humanology. Yes.. again that isn't a word.

"Popular Culture" may have presented an opportunity for people to not feel BAD about something so natural.. but it certainly didn't lead the perverbial horse to the water.
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Old 03-20-2008, 04:53 PM
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If we're discussing the act in isolation, Scripture does not address the issue. The book of Leviticus addresses most other potential sexual situations, but does not address masturbation. If the physical act itself was sinful, then I'm pretty sure it would have been addressed.

Now, if we add sexual lust to the equation, we have a different scenario. Suddenly, the act itself accompanies things that are known to be sinful. There's a bit of a chicken/egg issue here--does masturbation lead to lust, or does lust lead to masturbation? Is masturbation possible without lust, or does masturbation alleviate lust?

There's not a lot more that I think I can add, except that I don't believe that it is intrinsically a sin, but can be easily associated with other sin---this is, I believe, where people get tripped up. If the problem is lust, that problem needs to be addressed on its own terms. If a person feels guilty for masturbating, they should consider the aspect that makes them feel guilty--most often, it's pornography or some lusty fantasy. Stopping masturbating won't "fix" anything at that point, aside from perhaps removing some of the Pavlovian response to some things.
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:31 PM
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Um the sex ed and pop culture was a bit much...

If that were the case, how could one explain why or how small children stumble across it?
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:36 AM
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what do you guys think? any input will be appreciated.
I think most of the christian faith would say that it is, however this is how I view it.

we have been designed by God, as creatures of release. we were never designed to hold things in that must be relased. when we do, the stress of trying to contain what was never meant to be bottled up, can lead to very serious health issues, as well as a lack of sound judgements all because we are so greatly distracted by something so suppressed.

for example:

when we are sad, we cry tears. the benefit of tears help to loosen the pressure we are under thus making it possible for us to bare what we must. we are healthier for it.

when we are hot, we sweat. the benefit of persperation helps us set free poisions within the body that can't get out any other way. we are healthier for it.

when we have eattin something that don't sit well on our stomach, and it has to get out just moments after we ate it, then we throw it up. this keeps us from having to suffer the agony of waiting it to it pass out from the other far end. we are healtier for it.

our noses run, ears drain, we sneeze, and all this, because we were not designed to hold in such things, and yes for some of these releases that the body have, are to be cared for in a private place.

some body releasing parts will release itself, even if we dare to try, and be inhuman by ignoring it, or struggling to fight against its normal duties. it will get out, one way, or another. masterbation is about the body's need to let it go, get it out, and nothing more, UNTIL we start adding other things to the pot, it's perfectly normal, and nothing unholy, or evil about. otherwise the next time I catch you helping your body out [ministering to yourself] by picking your nose, you better REPENT!


when your nose run you wipe it, and when you sweat, you wipe it. you tend to your body with the up most respect and care. you can also reach all these places so that you are able to tend to them. you need no objects, or foreign aids to release what's already prepared to exit. if it is possible to wipe ones own mouth without thinking something foul to get it done, then it is possible to masterbate without thinking of something foul to accomplish it. you either just want to release the body, or you want something, or someone in addition to the release. in that case, for someone not married it's not good, and for the married, they have their mates. for the person who says a release won't come without something, or someone, then we are not talking about a simple body functions, but issues that could be way past a normal body-unbinding that comes with discharges. some serious mind cleaning will need to be done to even know it's possible, and for those who can't phantom it, often have never considered it to even be possible.

it's not right, but often with people of faith, they are made to choose between being human, or religious. masterbation is not about being a sinner, or a saint, but about being human, and that is all. sin don't come into the picture of masterbation, until we add it. as quiet as it's kept from the church world, you don't need a dirty mind to masterbate. nope.

there is no sin in ministering to yourself. how can the "singles" date, if they are not free to unshackle themselves before being in the company of someone they desire to marry. what wisdom is there in carring a loaded gun, with a hairs trigger, [that shoots off at a moments notice] but you don't understand why you kill every time you go out thisway? yet, when they fall into sexual relations before they marry one another, we want to damn them. for what? for being human? for failing to shine religiously bright? this is why we have so many undercover bondages, because we try, and hold people to laws that have nothing to do with righteousness. one secret sin adds to it, another, and before you know it, masterbation, which was no sin from the start, which could have been privately handled, and put to rest continues to build. before it's all said and done, it's now a monster-bation, and the act of holding it down has made it stronger. after awhile, sexual sins overthrow the person all because they respected not the normal process of the human body. by the way, for people who wanna practice sexual sins, materbation alone doesn't do it for them anyway. this is why all the corruption is so multiplied in sex.

when you blow your nose to get out the build up that just can't be igonored anymore by you, even if no one else can tell that you're all packed up, you set your mind to the business of blowing your nose, with your OWN NOSE IN MIND.

to masterbate is to MASTER YOUR OWN BAIT! that's why you can reach it, and God will not take away your normal sexual body functions. this bait is, of course, for the married to enjoy by drawing one to the another as often as needed in the relationship. let's face it, when you think of what married people go through together, THEY DESERVE SEX! they are to be about the business of procreation, and recreation in their marriage.

as difficult as it may be for some christians, or other faiths to understand that it is NO SIN TO TOUCH YOURSELF, then people will always struggle with what started out by God as clean, and healthy. unfortunately some christian women get married, and then complain that their husbands are not meeting their needs. it's however discovered later that they want their husbands to figure out how their bodies work, when they themselves have had the "gift" all their life, but have never figured out how it works.


when you hear a sermons that's shouting "Hands off" and it's about you touching your own body, then you should be concerned. how many unwanted babies could we never have to deal with, how many sexually motivated marriages could we avoid, how many tons, and tons of guilt could be lifted from the hearts of men, and woman, if only they are made clear that God has made a way of escape for every temptation? when we slam the door on a way made, then we suffer the consiquences. if you don't master the bait, then satan will lure you with every twisted, sexual bait he can find. you will be either master, or slave. you decided. until we take charge of what God has put within our reach, then we cannot expect to be in charge of others. until we first get the beam out of our own eye.....

the problem is that somehow religious people tend to think that sex for marriage, and making babies is all that there is, and so even in some of their marriages there is no fun in the bed. somehow the religious circle has given satan credit for making sex, pleasureable. nooo credit for satan when it comes to that, because that was God's doing. we will however credit satan for making sex dirty in every way he tempted man, and man for yeilding to the evil program.

the next time you itch, just scratch, and leave the devil out of it. that's all.
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:47 AM
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Crystal sea, I think that's the longest post I have read on CD so far and well worth the read. I completely agree.
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we have been designed by God, as creatures of release.

when you hear a sermons that's shouting "Hands off" and it's about you touching your own body, then you should be concerned. how many unwanted babies could we never have to deal with, how many sexually motivated marriages could we avoid, how many tons, and tons of guilt could be lifted from the hearts of men, and woman, if only they are made clear that God has made a way of escape for every temptation? when we slam the door on a way made, then we suffer the consiquences. if you don't master the bait, then satan will lure you with every twisted, sexual bait he can find. you will be either master, or slave. you decided. until we take charge of what God has put within our reach, then we cannot expect to be in charge of others. until we first get the beam out of our own eye.....

the problem is that somehow religious people tend to think that sex for marriage, and making babies is all that there is, and so even in some of their marriages there is no fun in the bed. somehow the religious circle has given satan credit for making sex, pleasureable. nooo credit for satan when it comes to that, because that was God's doing. we will however credit satan for making sex dirty in every way he tempted man, and man for yeilding to the evil program.
Thorough. Very relevant points. Though not married, I am borderline disgusted with the inhumane expectation that, WITHIN a marriage, sex is reserved for procreation and some level of abstinence is expected. I think that if people are married and they are doing it 3x a day (in bed, on the kitchen table, in the jacuzzi tub, wherever) it is totally legitimate. When does the censorship stop? Unbelievable. Masturbation: it's a (potentially) (less than optimal) habit, at best.
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:52 PM
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In some religions people are restricted to what they can and can't do with their spouse. This may be a different thread, but I do think that censorship causes for some sexual disfunctions. Apparently to some people the act of sex is so dirty that we only choose to share it with the one we love.

I feel so happy that I can express my love in a way that I'm comfortable with, rather than what my church tells me I should be comfortable with.

In light and love
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