is masterbation a sin? (homosexuality, history, atheist, blessing)

[june 7th]

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Hey folks, the OT isn't about lying...

Gotta get this back on topic, okay?

Thanks,
-June

[Oakback]

Originally Posted by june 7th

Be even more careful. What I wrote is an underlying attribute/principle of nearly every major religious belief system. June thinks alot. That's where the need for caution really originates!

P.S. June knows how to read music. She studied piano once upon a time...

Take gentle care.

and you still play very well

[moonsavvy]

Moon likes what June has to say.

[World Citizen]

Originally Posted by Kratos

Okay, now back to the Bible. Not even sure what the Magisterium of the Church is, but am sure it is not something that the Bible recognizes as an authority in matters of God and sin.

Does anyone know of any scripture that deals with this subject?

John

At the risk of being redundant... (I've not read all the posts in this thread)

I think 1 Cor 9:24 - 10:14....

Paul starts by saying

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway....

Chapter 10 discusses it further, relating to the wilderness and how these things are as an example for us. So, that we can know the heart of God -- and, not presume upon His grace.

It is sad that our generation has been so influenced by the world on this subject and our boundaries are unclear.

The devil has not changed his methods since the beginning... the outcome is always the same.

Hath God really said?....

[World Citizen]

Originally Posted by denverian

Every male begins - as soon as he hits puberty! Prayer can't stop the male body from producing sperm. And I've never met a man who would prefer masturbation over sex, so it's not like a man would stop having sex with his wife because he became addicted to masturbation. Masturbation is used when sex is unavailable, not because you lust after yourself! As men can't truly understand women on this subject, I don't believe women can understand men either.

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart....

2 Timothy 2:22

There should be more important things for adults in our world than the current topic... the root subject of which we've been brainwashed by doctors over the past 50 years. Makes me think about Sigmund Freud who is considered the "Father of Modern Psychology"... he really was a messed up guy. He had many obsessions...

Do you think Freud's cocaine use effected his thinking about sex???

hmmm....

It's a sad statement about our society.

[Kin Atoms]

Freud was spouting the zeigeist of his day. He just gets credit for what others were expounding. Freud wasn't the only speaker for psychology. He set great groundwork, but he isn't the end-all of the field.

I don't think Dr's have confounded this issue, but provided clarity regarding human sexuality, ill-placed guilt, and the findings of experience/empirical data. Ministers will rarely go there, particularly with regard to sexuality. There are few offerings on human sexuality in divinity studies.

June made some excellent points regarding the melding of humanity with divinity that are inescapable for anyone with breath. Our ideas of war range equally wide (and who can lose with G-d on your side) but we as Christians are carrying out what we think our divine will has ordained, and so we get a plethora of explanations. I don't think the scriptures can be used to uphold one position or another. How is the individual convicted or not? That's a gift from G-d, just as good as any interpretation.

Some people change their diets, the day of worship, or which church they'll go to, based on similar convictions. Let each person decide in their heart. For those who know it is the wrong thing to do, and they do it, for them it is a sin.

[World Citizen]

The Bible is very clear about doing things - that our conscience questions. I think the modern term is "Guilty Pleasures"....

Doctors have had much to do with our thinking and opening the door to all of the problems we have today about sexuality, porn.... etc.

The real "Father of the Sexual Revolution" would be Kinsey. Talk about a sad little man. You might enjoy reading this... he decided to re-write morality so that he could find self acceptance. He was a masochist and homophobic - even though he was married to a woman.

Masterbation was one of his particular outlets for masochistic pleasure.

Father of the Sexual Revolution - New York Times

If the link doesn't work, this is about a book written about Kinsey of the famous Kinsey study, called The Father of the Sexual Revolution.

I've lived through the last 50 years.. I remember the 70's. I've seen the consequences. Haven't you???

[Latte'Chic]

Now that this thread has seem to calm down. I would like to give my honest opinion on this subject.
God says He is Holy and that we are to be Holy. I just can not imagine Christ Jesus sitting around doing this! And He was a man. When He became tired and weary He went off to pray to the Father for strength. And the Father honored his obedience.
Yes, God gave us the beautiful gift of our sexuality! But the question is does masturbation bring Him glory? Who is it satisfying? God or me? Does God want this for my life?
Yes, God is love..... and we were made in His image. But the world (secular reasoning) has taken the love and sexuality God intended beyond His holiness and purpose.
The scripture teaches us to come out of ourselves and let Christ rule in our hearts.
Yes, we have the natural and divine nature in us. Christ through His Holy Spirit is constantly leading us to rid ourselves of our humanistic thinking that lead us to our doings. And to walk in the Spirit.

I too was compelled to post to this because of not knowing the OP and it was directed to a christian perspective.
That in the case that maybe this OP was struggling with the natural and spirit of the matter.
I used the analogy of drugs, drinking, and etc. to make a statement that masturbation can become a addiction just like with these I mention. And it was totally taken out of context.
No, I don't know if it is a sin or not. But the scripture says if you are in doubt (no faith) don't do it..... it will be sin to that one.

I had a problem with drinking. And I remember someone saying to me, O, it's not a sin to drink. Well it isn't a sin unless it becomes the most important thing in your life. I didn't know my tolerance to it!!! That I was weak and not able to control it due to emotional and personal reasons. But God's grace did delivered me from it.
What is that individual pyschological tolerance? Will that masturbation lead a person down a road of guilt and shame a cycle? A awful place to be. And not know why they are dealing with such emotions? Because someone said something God never intended for them.
We do not know where the heart of the OP was. If they were feeling these emotions or just curious. Why not tell that individual that it is not a good place to go. Who is to say what the underlying question really was in that Op.
I for one would want to deter someone from something that could possibly lead the individual down a path that is confusing them emotionally. Not to shame them of their identity.
Not knowing their psychological thinking. Where they have come from mentally! And telling someone it is not a sin or whatever, and the OP asking for a spiritual answer, while they maybe struggling with their conscience!
And this is where God speaks to all of us! Our conscience!! Right and wrong (not saying that masturbation is taboo).
God knows what is good and fruitful for one's life. He is always trying to leading us into holiness and His righteousness.
Yes, God can give someone the power to overcome anything that may be not good for one and trying to control them. Yes, He does it through prayer and seeking Him for the strength and courage. To tell someone they are lieing because they don't do it and everyone does it is awful. Because not everyone does do it!!!! Not just because it is icky. But because of their faith in Christ Jesus and what He would desire for ones life. Respect and honor in their life.

I have worked with many of youth and have a burden for them. Our society has so confused our youth. There is more pressure on the youth then there ever has been. Everything seems to revolve around sensuality.
I will continue to help them see that their identity is found in Him.
Yes, this is off topic..... these problems do exist. It does and I for one with all the grace God gives me to help any of them to seek a path to find that they were not created for drugs, alcohol, sexual immorality, pornography, for such things.
But to enjoy life without the intimidations that they have to do these things to be accepted and loved.....and cool!!!
God bless to all!
.

[SavedByTheGrace]

thank you curly, that is the answer that needed to be posted. i have been asked by many people about this situation. i have searched the Bible on this and as many have posted here, the Bible doesn't explicitly state an answer to this question. I believe that this response will help anyone that is struggling with the emotional struggle that is being pushed on them by the world.

Peace and Blessings.

[MaggieZ]

That's a whole "nother thread though jonjj...why one would masturbate and so on.
I don't think it's wrong, it's your body. You're not hurting anyone by doing it.