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Hi George. There's never any need to apologize for defending what the Bible states about Jesus. Absolutely they thought, and correctly so, that Old Testament prophecy had been fulfilled in Christ Jesus, including Isaiah 53 which is perhaps the most clear of the Messianic prophecies. To the unbiased mind there really is no question about that fact.
In the love of Christ,
Mike
thanks Mike. one might also add that IF one considers the writings of the "New Testament" as worthy of consideration there are many more statements that seem to indicate that Jesus believed that He was the true Messiah foretold in the Torah for example:
"for I tell you that many prophets and kings desired to see what you see and did not see it and hear what you hear and did not hear it" (Luke 10:24 and Matt 13:17).
OTOH, it can also be noted that Jesus was under no allusions as to how much of "stiff necked"
Israel had treated many of the prophets and ultimately Himself:
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her!" (Luke 13:34)
"woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! you build tombs for the prophets and decorate monuments for the righteous. and you say, 'if we had lived in the days of our fathers we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' ...you testify against yourselves that you are the sons of those who murdered the prophets." (Matt. 23:30)
that said, most likely ALL of us who claim to be Christians and "followers of Christ" have (just like so many in Israel then) at some time and in some way rejected Christ and His message of repentance and reformation of life shown forth as love and forgiveness of others for love of that same Christ Who has forgiven us.
we can praise Christ and his morals and ethics and good and holy example and bewail the hard heartedness of those who ignored and persecuted Him from here to Sunday BUT after speaking those words of praise for God in Christ and peace and love for all peoples we are STILL called to actually go about "DOING the work of My Father" in patience, faith, hope, love, and mercy.
in the peace of Christ.
"
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When you have made a comparison between the Christian Old Testament and the Hebrew Tanakh, then you can have a discussion with me...
If he was G-d in the flesh then he sacrificed nothing...How is it that you cannot comprehend this?...
Ezekiel 45 21In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
This is Messiah being all sacrifices, at no time in all the history of Israel was there ever a bullock killed on Nisan 14, because this bullock is from the feast of Tabernacles that was moved from Tishri 15th, to Nisan 14 where Messiah is appointed to bring all the holy days and feasts to one single day.
We can claim Jesus was this prince, or we can claim that at no time has all the sacrifices of all the feasts been moved to a single day on Nisan 14.
If we claim this is where Jesus was all the sacrifices on Nisan 14, we also must look at an consider how the sin offering is ALSO being made for the prince.
Ezekiel 45 21In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
This is Messiah being all sacrifices, at no time in all the history of Israel was there ever a bullock killed on Nisan 14, because this bullock is from the feast of Tabernacles that was moved from Tishri 15th, to Nisan 14 where Messiah is appointed to bring all the holy days and feasts to one single day.
We can claim Jesus was this prince, or we can claim that at no time has all the sacrifices of all the feasts been moved to a single day on Nisan 14.
If we claim this is where Jesus was all the sacrifices on Nisan 14, we also must look at an consider how the sin offering is ALSO being made for the prince.
Ezekiel 18:20 NRS
20 The person who sins shall die. A child shall not suffer for the iniquity of a parent, nor a parent suffer for the iniquity of a child; the righteousness of the righteous shall be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be his own.
Ezekiel 18:20 NRS
20 The person who sins shall die. A child shall not suffer for the iniquity of a parent, nor a parent suffer for the iniquity of a child; the righteousness of the righteous shall be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be his own.
Maybe you misunderstand.
Misunderstood what? G-d can do what He likes, the blood of Jesus that saved us was not his fleshly blood, for flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of G-d, it was the blood of His Spirit, ie. the life is in the blood. No man takes *my* life (for who at anytime has taken hold of the Spirit), I lay it down willingly, ELSE IT WAS NOT A SACRIFICE (but the flesh they took hold of).
The Spirit is given to us to divide asunder flesh from Spirit (and that includes the flesh of Jesus) in our understanding and in our walk. Peace
You mean that this wasn't Jesus the Messiah, or the prince in Ezekiel 45 was not the Messiah, OR, the fact that all the feasts are moved to one single day that all sacrifices happened on Nisan 14, and are AGAIN appointed to all happen on Tishri 15th?
Ezekiel is showing the Prince when the laws of Moses are actually changed in this spiritual temple. This is one of the only places showing where all the holy days will happen on a single day, but there are other places just as Joel insinuates when the Spring AND the fall rain will come down on the same day.
WE can say it was Jesus, and if we don't believe it was Jesus, it was still of the coming Prince who is being shown to officiate all the feast days of Messiah on Nisan 14, and then at his second coming on Tishri 15th.
Or that whoever this Prince is, there are two days being Nisan 14, and Tishri 15, when all the holy days come to one single day.
Ezekiel 18:20 NRS
20 The person who sins shall die. A child shall not suffer for the iniquity of a parent, nor a parent suffer for the iniquity of a child; the righteousness of the righteous shall be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be his own.
Maybe you misunderstand.
The naysayers will have all of hell coming after them but they will claim it was nothing they ever did although it was all won
That's because guilt comes to impose guilt upon those who were made to be believers of Christ Jesus of a Spiritual Kingdom
That is to be present on the Earth the Lord Jesus Christ made as he is God above all as they will have no money in hell to burn
The sole purpose of an agitator is to be rude interrupt exact title and homage unto themselves even claim Christ has no throne
While coming along with all sorts of monstrous ideas that Jesus never died was buried and rose on the 3rd day to never bargain
Genesis chapter one: what happened on the 3rd day: there was light and God saw that it was good and so it was so in his own Son
But that is in day 4 as of course those naysayers are here to convict those of being guilty of something never done one single time
So if Israel is Isaiah 53 again those same scriptures state that all will be alright anyway as its whole purpose speaks God's salvation
Chalk it up as being a single individual who speaks as a leftist college professor would although would deny it is dialectical materialism
Because that is how they do their practice of coming in to tear apart believers of Christ to make them appear ignorant as well as dumb
And then when they are thrown the bigotry card will claim it's another offense that proves their whole stinking thesis was never at insane
It is the same type Jesus was confronted with on a daily basis that wherever he was they had to arrive to scout out the premises alter gain
Because he was not on Earth to ever endorse their horrible foul evil ways as being of God or of justice truth mercy but to bring condemnation
Upon the same dysfunctional contorted systematic approval of what they did was arrive at a place where another's blood equals to Satanism
Meaning the living can never live be free to grow in the image of God but must constantly be harassed because that is the way of abominations
And then it must exact even further justice for not having left alone a pearl of great price that Jesus died was buried and gave us the resurrection
But continue on with even more pointless comments how 'you never proved it once because you can't' but what's the point of giving pearls to swine
The naysayers will have all of hell coming after them but they will claim it was nothing they ever did although it was all won
That's because guilt comes to impose guilt upon those who were made to be believers of Christ Jesus of a Spiritual Kingdom
That is to be present on the Earth the Lord Jesus Christ made as he is God above all as they will have no money in hell to burn
The sole purpose of an agitator is to be rude interrupt exact title and homage unto themselves even claim Christ has no throne
While coming along with all sorts of monstrous ideas that Jesus never died was buried and rose on the 3rd day to never bargain
Genesis chapter one: what happened on the 3rd day: there was light and God saw that it was good and so it was so in his own Son
But that is in day 4 as of course those naysayers are here to convict those of being guilty of something never done one single time
So if Israel is Isaiah 53 again those same scriptures state that all will be alright anyway as its whole purpose speaks God's salvation
Chalk it up as being a single individual who speaks as a leftist college professor would although would deny it is dialectical materialism
Because that is how they do their practice of coming in to tear apart believers of Christ to make them appear ignorant as well as dumb
And then when they are thrown the bigotry card will claim it's another offense that proves their whole stinking thesis was never at insane
It is the same type Jesus was confronted with on a daily basis that wherever he was they had to arrive to scout out the premises alter gain
Because he was not on Earth to ever endorse their horrible foul evil ways as being of God or of justice truth mercy but to bring condemnation
Upon the same dysfunctional contorted systematic approval of what they did was arrive at a place where another's blood equals to Satanism
Meaning the living can never live be free to grow in the image of God but must constantly be harassed because that is the way of abominations
And then it must exact even further justice for not having left alone a pearl of great price that Jesus died was buried and gave us the resurrection
But continue on with even more pointless comments how 'you never proved it once because you can't' but what's the point of giving pearls to swine
Do you need more pearls?
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