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Actually, I think Rbbi has indirectly answered, by the bulk of the things she has shared about her own personal experiences and beliefs.
She believes that the characteristics of the fullness of Christ is two-fold:
1) believing the bible is the unadulterated, inerrant, infallible Word of God and being obedient to it's rules;
2) experiencing "miraculous" things, like speaking in tongues, "word of knowledge" type stuff, seeing and casting out demons, and physical healing.
What she does NOT seem to believe is that it's about growing in a spirit of love, even as it is described biblically in places like 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5. At least, that's what I'm taking away from her posts thus far.
Well, before it gets closed, maybe I can get a word in.
I don't think number one is ever going to be a point of agreement, obviously.
The second thing isn't, in my mind, worth quibbling about.
I do wonder if it's possible to ever find common ground about the spirit of love with them?
Well, before it gets closed, maybe I can get a word in.
I don't think number one is ever going to be a point of agreement, obviously.
The second thing isn't, in my mind, worth quibbling about.
I do wonder if it's possible to ever find common ground about the spirit of love with them?
Pleroo, when someone supposedly becomes a christian, it's all about Jesus and how much you are loved, then before you know it, it's all about the bible, how it is inerrant, infallible and obeying commands set out by it, which as you know as well as i do never happens, because there is only one way to fullfill the command of God and that is to love your neighbor as yourself, which requires seeing the value of the person in the manner God does. Which is why "Namaste" is such a wonderful expression, an expression which to the fundamentalist is of the devil, because God is only in them by becoming a larder for bible verses. So in my opinion the spirit of love they were drawn by does not compare to the love they have for their bible beliefs.
It sounds like you are saying that people who do not speak in bible symbolism can have nothing constructive to say. But I'm hopeful that you don't think that God is incapable of communicating to others in other ways, just as you believe God communicates to you through bible symbols. I'm hopeful that you don't think that you all are the only people on earth who have anything worth saying. And I'm hopeful that you understand that communication with people outside of one's own group happens when we are willing to talk about the things we learn/believe in the common language that we share. It is possible, I agree, that there may not be much point in further communication if you guys aren't willing or able to do that. But, I'm still giving it my best shot, because we're all in this together, and different people bring different perspectives on our reality, and the Foundation of our reality, to the table.
So ,TRex, here's what I see as the issue that needs to be resolved in order for communication to continue. Rbbi and others in the bible symbolism group, seem unable to explain, in the common literal language we share, what the purpose is for learning your symbolic bible language. You are excited about finding connections and how this symbol relates to that symbol and that symbol relates to this symbol (and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that), but you seem unable to explain how any of it relates to reality, or how finding these connections helps you to become the person you believe God intends for you to be, or what that even means to you. If you [general you] COULD explain these things in our common language, why wouldn't you? And if you can't, then just own that. As it stands, right now it comes across as you all trying to belittle others as being spiritually inferior to you, whether you intend that or not.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
SERIOUSLY good attempt to show what communication should be about. Can't hurt to repeat it even if I have not read far enough yet to see whether it bore fruit...which I doubt
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
I agree that they are not interested in communicating. So, is it fruitful to continue to try? I don't know, but for myself, I'm tending toward, "No."
There's no fruit on the tree, it withered a long time ago.
MissH is right, this has gone a LONG way from OP. I think it has shone some light on the communication gap and the reasons for it, but I doubt there is anything to add.
Btw, the point that the origin of any change of direction is the beginning of love is excellent! Good OP.
Pleroo, when someone supposedly becomes a christian, it's all about Jesus and how much you are loved, then before you know it, it's all about the bible, how it is inerrant, infallible and obeying commands set out by it, which as you know as well as i do never happens, because there is only one way to fullfill the command of God and that is to love your neighbor as yourself, which requires seeing the value of the person in the manner God does. Which is why "Namaste" is such a wonderful expression, an expression which to the fundamentalist is of the devil, because God is only in them by becoming a larder for bible verses. So in my opinion the spirit of love they were drawn by does not compare to the love they have for their bible beliefs.
Yes, seeing others AND self the way God does. Both open the heart to love, and bring a great deal of healing.
Well, repenting for missing the mark?...and what is the mark?
God's love.
I know others may not agree; they may think obedience is the mark...or something else....
they may have a long list of things.
I say experiencing, opening to, responding to, feeling, accepting,
allowing, trusting in, relying upon, realizing GOD'S LOVE....that is the mark...Him, an intimate relationship
with Him personally.
Then, doing His will comes naturally...and what is His Will?...loving him and letting him love you.
another way to put it?...
Seek the Kingdom of God first and all else will fall into place.
And what is His kingdom?...love, more than can be imagined....not obedience, repentance and humility as the mark...they come naturally....
walking to the Throne boldly with knowledge of who you are and God... those other things are secondary
natural occurrences.
Jesus was often talking to idiots...Like parents saying to children, "Now Billy, say your sorry to Suzy...".(So, Jesus was not wrong in telling those that...)
To those that could get it, he said....'Seek the Kingdom first'...those were the smart ones
that had a clue...'Give me your burdens...you may ask me for anything...until now you have not asked'...and so on....to the ones that could hear that.
If humility and repentance are the main deal...well...you're still in the sandbox
having to say you're sorry to Suzy.*
There's milk when you're children and there's meat when you grow up.
Love is the whole meal.
I believe some people need to repent, as they have "missed the mark."
Folks, this one has pretty much run it's course....Hence, thread closed.
~June
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