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Old 07-24-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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Was this biblical prophecy of the Messiah fulfilled?

Isaiah 9:6

His dominion is vast and forever peaceful, Upon David’s throne, and over his kingdom,
which he confirms and sustains By judgment and justice, both now and forever.

His kingdom is not of this world, not observable with eyes of flesh, requires a spiritual new birth to see it, so yes, it's been fulfilled. Peace
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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His kingdom is not of this world, not observable with eyes of flesh, requires a spiritual new birth to see it, so yes, it's been fulfilled. Peace
How convenient...
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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How convenient...

Don't worry Richard....a visible one is coming soon to a corner near you. Peace
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Don't worry Richard....a visible one is coming soon to a corner near you. Peace
Only if humanity has a change of heart, collectively!
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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Prophecies do not come to being unless people in the earth believe in faith ,...... See Gods hands are tied , as no faith , no grace ........ Then like the building of the third temple will never be sanctified , as the concept of the prophecy was abolished by the works of Jesus Christ , as this prophetic temple was a hope in its day for faith , but never will be fulfilled , as the sacrifice of animals of the Ezekiel prophecy is blaspheme after the cross of Jesus Christ ...........Gather the Jews back in the land of Israel happened twice , first after the end of Assyria , and then again after the nazi extermination , but the lost tribes of Israel will never be joined again as the Samaritans were rejected by the Jews ......Then the world peace which will come after the second coming of Jesus Christ
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Only if humanity has a change of heart, collectively!

Nothing can stop the hand or the will of the Father, bringing all things to pass in due season. Men have NADA to do with it. Peace
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Nothing can stop the hand or the will of the Father, bringing all things to pass in due season. Men have NADA to do with it. Peace
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I’m afraid not. I see some people using the “second coming “ as the time for Jesus’ unfulfilled prophecy fulfillment.

But to be recognized as the Messiah, Jesus had to fulfill ALL the Old Testament prophecies during his life on earth, not during a second coming.

Yes they have to be witnessed with “eyes of flesh.”

Consider the alternative. Anyone at all could then claim to be the messiah and if challenged could reply that he was going to fulfill all unfilled prophecies during his second coming, or that he had already fulfilled them but “eye’s of flesh” couldn’t see it.

Messianic Prophecies

“The noun prophecy describes a “prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration” or a “revelation of God.” …Of the prophecies written in the Bible about events that were to have taken place by now, every one was fulfilled with 100% accuracy. This is a statement that can not be truthfully made about any other “sacred writing.” This is important because the Bible says God will give us a savior who provides a way for us to go to heaven. If the prophecies are 100% accurate, we know it is going to happen.”

If not, then maybe not!
No divine prophecy of the Messiah could remain unfulfilled during his lifetime on earth!
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:34 PM
 
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I’m afraid not. I see some people using the “second coming “ as the time for Jesus’ unfulfilled prophecy fulfillment.

But to be recognized as the Messiah, Jesus had to fulfill ALL the Old Testament prophecies during his life on earth, not during a second coming.

Yes they have to be witnessed with “eyes of flesh.”

Consider the alternative. Anyone at all could then claim to be the messiah and if challenged could reply that he was going to fulfill all unfilled prophecies during his second coming, or that he had already fulfilled them but “eye’s of flesh” couldn’t see it.

Messianic Prophecies

“The noun prophecy describes a “prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration” or a “revelation of God.” …Of the prophecies written in the Bible about events that were to have taken place by now, every one was fulfilled with 100% accuracy. This is a statement that can not be truthfully made about any other “sacred writing.” This is important because the Bible says God will give us a savior who provides a way for us to go to heaven. If the prophecies are 100% accurate, we know it is going to happen.”

If not, then maybe not!
No divine prophecy of the Messiah could remain unfulfilled during his lifetime on earth!

Well some of this might be true under "normal" circumstances and reasoning, but the problem is, He arose, His Spirit's in us, some of us have seen Him (like me), and if you have a King, then by a necessity you also have a kingdom (within) because ......(wait for it).....that's where the King lives. So simple even a child could understand it. Why don't you? Peace
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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You understand, this will lead to nowhere, right? No matter what you say, there will be an excuse of some sort or blatant twist of the initial premise. Fundies are fundies, it is lost bandwidth. Not sure what you trying to accomplish. Just idle exercise? Then it's trolling.
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:39 PM
 
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In the last Game of Thrones there was a very good expression.

everything before the word "but" is bs.

Here's one for you: Well some of this might be true under "normal" circumstances and reasoning, but the problem is, He arose, His Spirit's in us, some of us have seen Him (like me), and if you have a King, then by a necessity you also have a kingdom (within) because ......(wait for it).....that's where the King lives. So simple even a child could understand it. Why don't you? Peace
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