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Old 07-26-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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Liam O'Connor posted:

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A facile approach (one that would probably come up in the apologetics department) would be to say Matthew was stupid or sloppy; but that is a sloppy answer. Are we to imagine Matthew scrambling to get his work done, like a freshman frantically finishing his creative writing assignment during study hall ten minutes before it is due!


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Th gospel we call Matthew's contains many contradictions and errors. So much so that it has rather limited credibility unless one takes the approach that all scripture is divinely inspired and thus free of all error.

But in this case, one must face a number of other problems!

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Old 07-26-2017, 05:32 PM
 
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Th gospel we call Matthew's contains many contradictions and errors. So much so that it has rather limited credibility unless one takes the approach that all scripture is divinely inspired and thus free of all error.

But in this case, one must face a number of other problems!
What contradictions would those be? I see those silly statements all the time by atheists but it's a lame argument.
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:31 PM
 
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What contradictions would those be? I see those silly statements all the time by atheists but it's a lame argument.
#130 Both thieves reviled Jesus.

And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Mark 15:32
The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth. Matthew 27:44

Only one thief reviled Jesus.

And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luke 23:39-42

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/contra_list.html
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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this is why we need to be taught accurately. because we can see the scriptures as being contradictory. these men were faithful servants of Jehovah God and TRUE followers of Jesus. neither intent on lying, they spoke what they either heard or seen.

it's kind of like if 2 people witness a car accident, but saw it from different angles. though the basic story they tell is the same. one may speak on something ,the other one or two didn't see. it wouldn't mean that the two who's stories were exactly the same, were the only true witnesses.

Jesus said at John 3:17 ,"...but that the world through him "MIGHT" be saved". yet he said at Matt. 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "SHALL" be saved".

many KNOWS the different between the words "might" and Shall". one is a possibility and the other is a guarantee, Jesus didn't contradict himself. those who have accurate understanding, would have known this. the one who didn't ,would have seen this as an contradiction. which would lead them into believing the bible or Jehovah's words has flaws. it's NOT the case, but man can make it seem that way, especially with satan's help.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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Th gospel we call Matthew's contains many contradictions and errors. So much so that it has rather limited credibility unless one takes the approach that all scripture is divinely inspired and thus free of all error.

But in this case, one must face a number of other problems!
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To be creditable one need to post the contradictions to show they understand what is being said. What makes you think yo9ur source understands Matthew? What he is saying is not neew, but it has never been proved.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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#130 Both thieves reviled Jesus.

And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Mark 15:32
The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth. Matthew 27:44

Only one thief reviled Jesus.

And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luke 23:39-42

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How sad. Those verses are at about a 10th grading reading comprehension level and you don't understand them.

The verses in Matthew and Mark, refer to when they were first on the crosses. Luke reports the comments of the one thief after he recognized Jesus as God---"do you not fear God?"
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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#130 Both thieves reviled Jesus.

And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Mark 15:32
The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth. Matthew 27:44

Only one thief reviled Jesus.

And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luke 23:39-42

SAB, Contradictions in Matthew
So both started by reviling him, one repented. Not difficult.

Next question?
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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Th gospel we call Matthew's contains many contradictions and errors. So much so that it has rather limited credibility unless one takes the approach that all scripture is divinely inspired and thus free of all error.
But in this case, one must face a number of other problems!
Could you post one contradiction or error that you have in mind.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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this is why we need to be taught accurately. because we can see the scriptures as being contradictory. these men were faithful servants of Jehovah God and TRUE followers of Jesus. neither intent on lying, they spoke what they either heard or seen.

it's kind of like if 2 people witness a car accident, but saw it from different angles. though the basic story they tell is the same. one may speak on something ,the other one or two didn't see. it wouldn't mean that the two who's stories were exactly the same, were the only true witnesses.

Jesus said at John 3:17 ,"...but that the world through him "MIGHT" be saved". yet he said at Matt. 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "SHALL" be saved".

many KNOWS the different between the words "might" and Shall". one is a possibility and the other is a guarantee, Jesus didn't contradict himself. those who have accurate understanding, would have known this. the one who didn't ,would have seen this as an contradiction. which would lead them into believing the bible or Jehovah's words has flaws. it's NOT the case, but man can make it seem that way, especially with satan's help.
You have to remember, jojo that neither Mark, Matthew nor Luke were at the cross when all this went down so how could any of them be reporting what they saw. They're getting this information 50 years later. By that time it was 1000'th-hand at best.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:38 PM
 
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How sad. Those verses are at about a 10th grading reading comprehension level and you don't understand them.

The verses in Matthew and Mark, refer to when they were first on the crosses. Luke reports the comments of the one thief after he recognized Jesus as God---"do you not fear God?"
None of this is written anywhere because no historian would dare comment on something so vague so where are you getting this, omega, or are you just pulling it out of thin air as you usually do?

Wait a second, omega. Are you actually suggesting that one thief reviled Jesus and then had an immediate change of heart and turned on the other thief and repented to Jesus.

I have heard some fast excuse making in my time but that takes the cake. It takes the entire bakery if you really want to know!!!! LOL

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