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Other books, does NOT equal canon as any Jew (or Christian) will tell you. You're just reaching for straws to keep your false doctrine not based on canon. Peace
which then would prove Paul was not speaking of the bible= scripture as the BIBLE of Paul's day contained those other books.
My stance: the bible contains scripture, but not everything in the bible is scripture.
Your stance: the bible of Paul's day contains scripture but not everything in the bible of Paul's day is scripture
Christian Bibles range from the 66 books of the Protestant canon to the 81 books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon. The Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) contains 24 books divided into three parts: the five books of the Torah (teaching); the Nevi'im (prophets); and the Ketuvim (writings).
Which books are you using as a rule or measuring stick?
GINOLJC, haven't read all the posts, I'm sure someone have already posted this. John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life". if the Lord Jesus speaks LIFE then he is the Spirit which is LIFE. scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 & 11 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow". STOP, the Spirit of Christ "IN" them? YES, the Spirit, and if one just go back to the old testament prophets they all said something to this effect. "the WORD of the LORD came unto me". examples, Jeremiah 1:11 "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree". Ezekiel 1:3 "The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him". Hosea 1:1 "The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel". it goes on and on with all the prophets. the WORD of the Lord is JESUS the Christ without flesh and bone in the O.T.
which then would prove Paul was not speaking of the bible= scripture as the BIBLE of Paul's day contained those other books.
My stance: the bible contains scripture, but not everything in the bible is scripture.
Your stance: the bible of Paul's day contains scripture but not everything in the bible of Paul's day is scripture
Thus you are proving my point.
I don't believe you are this unlearned, so I have to conclude you are being deliberately obtuse to continue your non point. Then, as now, there are writings ABOUT scripture, but they are not inspired. The disciples and Jesus, who BOTH referred to the Jewish canon that existed THEN, are far more qualified and suited to determine what the canon was 2000 years ago.
I think the motive here is that you want to feel "special" somehow through this concept you're claiming, as if you're qualified to determine what canon was THEN, and that qualifies you to try to destroy it and add to it, and treat others that believe it as Jesus and the disciples clearly did, as misinformed at best, and ignorant fundies, at worst. It doesn't. If you want to feel special (as ALL of us are to G-d), receive His baptism so that you can find out EXACTLY who you are IN CHRIST, as our life is HID, in Him, instead of taking up a false banner and waving it high. Peace
I don't believe you are this unlearned, so I have to conclude you are being deliberately obtuse to continue your non point. Then, as now, there are writings ABOUT scripture, but they are not inspired. The disciples and Jesus, who BOTH referred to the Jewish canon that existed THEN, are far more qualified and suited to determine what the canon was 2000 years ago.
I think the motive here is that you want to feel "special" somehow through this concept you're claiming, as if you're qualified to determine what canon was THEN, and that qualifies you to try to destroy it and add to it, and treat others that believe it as Jesus and the disciples clearly did, as misinformed at best, and ignorant fundies, at worst. It doesn't. If you want to feel special (as ALL of us are to G-d), receive His baptism so that you can find out EXACTLY who you are IN CHRIST, as our life is HID, in Him, instead of taking up a false banner and waving it high. Peace
It is man who had picked out the books they believe are inspired and set the others aside. But they didn't stop there, they also added and subtracted from the one's that were chosen to suit there own agenda.
Male chauvinism is the term for the belief that males are superior to females which they propagated in the literal sense of the word, as they demeaned the role of woman. It sort of follows along the same lines that you use when you deprive every soul (woman) of a positive human quality - believing that it has to be spiritual (male) or you are less than? Fortunately, no one is any greater or less than any other person. And it doesn't matter what someone may teach, explain or justify while exalting themselves with their exclusion mentality.
It is man who had picked out the books they believe are inspired and set the others aside. But they didn't stop there, they also added and subtracted from the one's that were chosen to suit there own agenda.
Male chauvinism is the term for the belief that males are superior to females which they propagated in the literal sense of the word, as they demeaned the role of woman. It sort of follows along the same lines that you use when you deprive every soul (woman) of a positive human quality - believing that it has to be spiritual (male) or you are less than? Fortunately, no one is any greater or less than any other person. And it doesn't matter what someone may teach, explain or justify while exalting themselves with their exclusion mentality.
Funny, that the Master had that "exclusion mentality", as He referred to the canon then in existence also, isn't it? You're outside the garden right now, because the Father has an "exclusion mentality". Sooner or later you're going to have to conclude that He separates, even if it's at your own demise when what you should have separated while in the body, is separated for you. Peace
Funny, that the Master had that "exclusion mentality", as He referred to the canon then in existence also, isn't it? You're outside the garden right now, because the Father has an "exclusion mentality". Sooner or later you're going to have to conclude that He separates, even if it's at your own demise when what you should have separated while in the body, is separated for you. Peace
I see the mirror has been talking to you - the queen of heaven.
It is man who had picked out the books they believe are inspired and set the others aside. But they didn't stop there, they also added and subtracted from the one's that were chosen to suit there own agenda.
Male chauvinism is the term for the belief that males are superior to females which they propagated in the literal sense of the word, as they demeaned the role of woman. It sort of follows along the same lines that you use when you deprive every soul (woman) of a positive human quality - believing that it has to be spiritual (male) or you are less than? Fortunately, no one is any greater or less than any other person. And it doesn't matter what someone may teach, explain or justify while exalting themselves with their exclusion mentality.
I always speak the truth, even if you don't like it.
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