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Old 08-16-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Two neighbors came before God and prayed for him to grant their hearts' desire. One was full of avarice, and the other - eaten up with envy. So, to correct them both and give them a greater understanding of their own thoughts, God granted that each might have whatever he wished for himself, but only on condition that his neighbor had twice as much. The Avaricious man prayed to have a room full of gold and silver. No sooner said than done; but all his joy was turned to grief when he found that his neighbor had two rooms full of the precious metals. Then, came the turn of the Envious man, who could not bear to think that his neighbor had any joy at all - so he prayed that he might have one of his own eyes put out!
Yikes. But yeah. How we think about things determines how we experience them.
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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The Pharisees were offended because of their thoughts (which "defiled" them). So, it's those types of thoughts (plants) which were/are going to be uprooted.
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Two neighbors came before God and prayed for him to grant their hearts' desire. One was full of avarice, and the other - eaten up with envy. So, to correct them both and give them a greater understanding of their own thoughts, God granted that each might have whatever he wished for himself, but only on condition that his neighbor had twice as much. The Avaricious man prayed to have a room full of gold and silver. No sooner said than done; but all his joy was turned to grief when he found that his neighbor had two rooms full of the precious metals. Then, came the turn of the Envious man, who could not bear to think that his neighbor had any joy at all - so he prayed that he might have one of his own eyes put out!
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Yikes. But yeah. How we think about things determines how we experience them.
Indeed! And it shows us that the blind cannot lead the blind lest they both fall into a pit.
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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I agree. I think that's a given.

Ok, then follow my thinking here for a moment, if you will.

If the seeds produce plants, and the seeds are spirits, then what are the plants exactly? Aren't they that which, having come up out of the ground/heart, display the nature of the seed now both being seen (the plant, the "works") and heard (out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, ie. more seeds to reproduce/multiply it's own nature), and are like a garment?

So then, if a garment, but not of the wheat, then it's safe to call it a false garment or covering, wouldn't you say?

Then is it any wonder that He prefers that we have His garment or covering that came from HIS Seed, that was planted, which is the Holy Ghost, which is why it is said, that He SHED FORTH (like a garment), that which is BOTH seen and heard = the (upright, not buried anymore )plant?

And does it then also now make sense that in Matt. 13 those that offend and do iniquity are gathered up (feast of INgathering/Tabernacles) OUT OF HIS KINGDOM (WHERE is His kingdom, again?) and cast into the fire?

He is all about having a harvest, and just like with the natural harvests, there are steps one has to take to ensure a fruitful harvest. The fulfillment of the feasts IN US, ARE those steps, which is what, in a nutshell, Hanni and I are trying to share.

Now anyone can wander away and ignore the steps, but the harvest will go on as planned, and some will even have the appropriate garment on at the end we are told, but more will have on the garments they started with and even more besides that, because they refused to follow the steps of the harvest prep.

And further, each one of the scriptures, is in itself a seed fully capable of imparting a portion of the life of that original Seed and Plant it came from to add to the covering, which is why He said that all the law and the prophets was written of Him, and their hearts burned within them as He spoke about it, because our G-d is a consuming fire like the one mentioned above, and the harvest began long ago, and will come to an acknowledged end. So if the scriptures are seeds, then it would it not make sense then why we are told to meditate ON HIS WORD day and night, because we are to prepare for the right kind of harvest? Peace
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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]It's not the thought, it's the spirit behind the thought, [/b]
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I agree. I think that's a given.
It is a given so why does Rbbi refuse to ever describe the characteristics of the Spirit that drive her thoughts? We do so repeatedly, but she always avers.
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:38 PM
 
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It is a given so why does Rbbi refuse to ever describe the characteristics of the Spirit that drive her thoughts? We do so repeatedly, but she always avers.

Oh, but I HAVE talked to you about His love. You just refuse to hear it. Peace
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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Do you believe you are better than God? Do you believe that God is unable or immoral for doing what he wants with his creation?
I believe only God is good.
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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I believe only God is good.
So why do you believe that you can dictate to God what he can or can't do with his creation?
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Old 08-17-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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So why do you believe that you can dictate to God what he can or can't do with his creation?
re: ''I believe God is only good."
Believing God is good...would be a belief. Not someone dictating.

My dog get nervous when it thunders....I am not dictating anything to my dog.
My dog is bad.
My dog is good....see what I mean?
And I am certainly not dictating to my dog if I say...She pees on the carpet.
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Old 08-17-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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11*Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.
12*Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13*But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.


Zero, I would say that there are three equivalent things in that passage.

Thoughts which defile a person.
The reason the Pharisees were offended.
The plants not planted by the Father

The Pharisees were offended because of their thoughts (which "defiled" them). So, it's those types of thoughts (plants) which were/are going to be uprooted.


Good stuff, Pleroo!
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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So why do you believe that you can dictate to God what he can or can't do with his creation?
Why do you with your fallacious teachings of eternal damnation?
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