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Mine started professing the faith around 5th grade and were baptized. Each kid is different. God has no grandchildren...so it's not enough for the parents to be Christians..the kid needs to understand and believe.
Did the kid need to understand and believe in order to be physically born when Jesus stated: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit".?
Mine started professing the faith around 5th grade and were baptized. Each kid is different. God has no grandchildren...so it's not enough for the parents to be Christians..the kid needs to understand and believe.
In other words, they were conditioned or taught to believe what you believe and were baptized?
Did the kid need to understand and believe in order to be physically born when Jesus stated: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit".?
Mine started professing the faith around 5th grade and were baptized. Each kid is different. God has no grandchildren...so it's not enough for the parents to be Christians..the kid needs to understand and believe.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Did the kid need to understand and believe in order to be physically born when Jesus stated: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit".?
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
Nope. Not sure how that's relevant.
Jesus is speaking of the two births of a person and makes no distinction between the birth of spiritual and the physical in so far as "the kid needs to understand and believe" either before being physically born vs spiritually born
"Flesh gives birth to flesh, ----- physical
but the Spirit gives birth to spirit". ---- spiritual
yet you are requiring that "the kid needs to understand and believe" when concerning the spiritual.
By doing so, one is in effect making coming to faith no longer "by grace" but "a work of man" \ a "good work".
That is how I knew concerning my children when they were a believer of God.
4 of my kids after when the "flesh gave birth to flesh" ... "the Spirit gives birth to spirit" via "through the washingofrebirthand renewal by the Holy Spirit" ... baptism.
Last edited by twin.spin; 10-03-2017 at 03:43 PM..
And as an infant none the less! Well heck, I'm gonna sleep a lot easier tonight!
Since I was baptized in the Eastern Rite Ukrainian Catholic church, the sacrament of Confirmation was also bestowed at that time.
So, years later, when attending a Roman Catholic school, I didn't have to take the mandatory-for-the-other-kids Confirmation instructions. I got free time to read books and daydream.
PLUS I got to celebrate two (2!) Christmases and got time off school for the Ukrainian one.
I don't regret my Catholic upbringing at all. Despite the occasional, sadistic, strap-wielding nun.
Curious if Mike 555 and Twin are on the same page on this one. In eight years on this forum I always thought they were.
If I'm understanding Twin correctly, if an individual is baptized at the discretion of their parents as a baby in their church, the baptized individuals' place in Heaven is permanently reserved regardless of the choices they make later in their own lives.
This would go contrary of anything I was taught growing up in a fundamentalist Christian home.
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