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Old 10-20-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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You are so steeped in the "precepts and doctrines of men" that you do not see that you are simply saying the same thing I am. Jesus redeemed us ALL by His Grace (perfect resonance with God's love) and abides with us as the Comforter (Holy Spirit of truth) sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." When we love God and each other every day and repent when we don't, our imperfections are sanctified under His Grace.
that is not what you say.. you are saying it now... that is now how you say it and not what YOU MEAN BY IT.

IF YOU SAY WE MUST MISTRUST THE SCRIPTURES AS THEY SIT NOW! ! But HE IS ABLE BODIED GOD CAPABLE OF KEEPING HIS SCRIPTURES EXACTLY AS HE WANTS THEM.
He is not capable of saving anyone unless he can keep his word exactly as he wants it and keeping those
tensions exactly how he wants them .
the God you tell us is your god is a flaky guy who is wishywashy and can't keep his word pure much less make men pure..
That is not MY God. MY God keeps me and His Word.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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Werll, Objective Detective, your point is an excellent one and if the doctrines of men you enumerate were what Jesus and the Apostles taught, you would have a slam dunk, but they are not.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:24 PM
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NO it does not. It means those he spoke to were fundamentalists and the scripture was a"language"they would understand and not be able to use to justify their behaviors.

Here, in the following scriptures,Christ uses scriptures to teach just the opposite--



Oaths

33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’
34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.
37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.g

Eye for Eye

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Those were NOT fundamentalists.

5 Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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I hope I am edifying them by focusing them on Christ's ACTUAL message of love and His accomplishment in saving us from eternal separation from God by His perfect resonance (Identity) with God's love. By emulating Him in love of God and each other, we follow Him and become the second-born and third-born and so on.
Without gold tryed in Fire.
There will be no harmony or resonance as you put it.

The Ark of the Covenant is not to be scoffed at.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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NO it does not. It means those he spoke to were fundamentalists and the scripture was a"language"they would understand and not be able to use to justify their behaviors.

Here, in the following scriptures,Christ uses scriptures to teach just the opposite--



Oaths

33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’
34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.
37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.g

Eye for Eye

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
True,.
I believe the Lord was rebuking arrogance here.

As in the things that the Lord hates.
Mishlei - Proverbs - Chapter 6 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible


James 3:1-11New International Version (NIV)

Taming the Tongue
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:57 PM
 
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true,.


9 with the tongue we praise our lord and father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in god’s likeness. 10 out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?
yes of course what is not admitted to is love is tough and it aint always pretty , certainly never a spectators sport in any form.. .. Not soft or fluffy either, and love rarely feels good. It is always messy and always intrusive.. It is the greatest thing God created.. HOW DID HE CREATE IT ? .. From the day he ripped one soul into halves and created two PERFECTLY broken beings .. ... True love will be messy and offend ..
The most loving man in the world they crucified him because they were offended by him ..
Just as they are today offended by his words and their meanings... So they instead change the meanings to mean all they want it too.. FluffY and it isn't love ..

What they call love is not love
what Jesus called love left paul blind. Anninas and Safira dead.. . Peter crying for his betrayal of him .. On and on..

They just don't have a clue what his love is and what it costs . And how that is hiding in his word.. From day one.
What is first of all his love , it sets men free of their sins and bondage of every kind what isn't his perfect plan for his creation from day one of our creation was for men to be perfectly broken and FROM THERE His love is messy . I sure don't see any of that following them. They just removed the right of man to be perfectly broken and needy of healthy relationships with God and Man.
their kind OF love offends nothing , admits no brokeness , AND LEAVES ALL used , LONELY AND DESPERATE.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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yes of course what is not admitted to is love is tough and it aint always pretty , certainly never a spectators sport in any form.. .. Not soft or fluffy either, and love rarely feels good. It is always messy and always intrusive.. It is the greatest thing God created.. HOW DID HE CREATE IT ? .. From the day he ripped one soul into halves and created two PERFECTLY broken beings .. ... True love will be messy and offend ..
The most loving man in the world they crucified him because they were offended by him ..
Just as they are today offended by his words and their meanings... So they instead change the meanings to mean all they want it too.. FluffY and it isn't love ..

What they call love is not love
what Jesus called love left paul blind. Anninas and Safira dead.. . Peter crying for his betrayal of him .. On and on..

They just don't have a clue what his love is and what it costs . And how that is hiding in his word.. From day one.
What is first of all his love , it sets men free of their sins and bondage of every kind what isn't his perfect plan for his creation from day one of our creation was for men to be perfectly broken and FROM THERE His love is messy . I sure don't see any of that following them. They just removed the right of man to be perfectly broken and needy of healthy relationships with God and Man.
their kind OF love offends nothing , admits no brokeness , AND LEAVES ALL used , LONELY AND DESPERATE.

The beauty of instruction keeps a soul focused on charity.
Sadly, some men think within their hearts that flexible means a blade of grass is equal to a read or staff.

Chastisement comes From the Father of Lights.
Not from an oppressor.

The Staff that blooms is an example of our High Preist.

Remember well the fruit of gentlness.

Even a Lily is arrayed to glorify the All Mighty.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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Personally speaking, I don't "hate" a book. I believe some of it...some I don't. Its the GIST that one should focus on.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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n...Xuipa, how many times have you been told that your characterization of what we present as love is nothing more than your imagination or the product of the demagogues who want to present us as "hippy dippy?" Yet you continue the "Big Lie" propaganda technique.


NO one with lick of sense or who has followed our conversations on that subject are going to buy it.
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:20 PM
 
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n...Xuipa, how many times have you been told that your characterization of what we present as love is nothing more than your imagination or the product of the demagogues who want to present us as "hippy dippy?" Yet you continue the "Big Lie" propaganda technique.


NO one with lick of sense or who has followed our conversations on that subject are going to buy it.
Hmmm.

The foul petitions of foul birds is what Xuipa is speaking of.

And as many here have posted, .
Those petitions will go unheard by the Power that executes the escort order.
Many will be invited.
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