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why are you preaching Jewish ideology in a christian forum?
Where is your Old Testament?...It states it there also...Your Christian Old Testament, that is...You claim our G-d as your G-d, you point to our bible to prove your Messiah [with a little editing here and there.]...
13 I saw in the visions of the night, and behold with the clouds of the heaven, one like a man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days and was brought before Him.
Rashi:
one like a man was coming: That is the King Messiah.
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and… up to the Ancient of Days: Who was sitting in judgment and judging the nations.
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came: arrived, reached.
The cloud rider was brought BEFORE G-d...
You have nothing to bring to the table Richard. Barking 'nuh uh' doesn't cut it. So don't waste my time with your nonsense. Again, Yahweh is said to be the cloud rider in the Old Testament as a polemic against Baal who is a Canaanite god. But in Daniel 7:13 it is the Son of Man who is said to be the cloud rider. And Jesus applied that title to Himself thus claiming to be God.
You have nothing to bring to the table Richard. Barking 'nuh uh' doesn't cut it. So don't waste my time with your nonsense.
Don't be scared of the truth, little fella...It's right there in the Torah...The cloud rider is brought before the Ancient of Days, which is G-d...You are the one who can't bring anything credible to the table...I notice you get like this when people catch you up...
You have nothing to bring to the table Richard. Barking 'nuh uh' doesn't cut it. So don't waste my time with your nonsense. Again, Yahweh is said to be the cloud rider in the Old Testament as a polemic against Baal who is a Canaanite god. But in Daniel 7:13 it is the Son of Man who is said to be the cloud rider. And Jesus applied that title to Himself thus claiming to be God.
Where does it state that G-d is the cloud rider?...I notice that you didn't provide THAT verse...
Don't be scared of the truth, little fella...It's right there in the Torah...The cloud rider is brought before the Ancient of Days, which is G-d...You are the one who can't bring anything credible to the table...I notice you get like this when people catch you up...
I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself, or arguing with a child. Here is Old Testament scholar Michael Heiser on the subject of Yahweh as the cloud rider and Jesus as the cloud rider and therefore God.
I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself, or arguing with a child. Here is Old Testament scholar Michael Heiser on the subject of Yahweh as the cloud rider and Jesus as the cloud rider and therefore God.
Again, don't waste my time. You have nothing to bring to the table. No valid arguments.
Oh, Snap!...The little fella can't prove it by the Torah, so, here he is again, bringing out yet another Christian author that thinks that he knows better than the Jews...
And notice everyone...Mike has still not provided the verse that states G-d is a cloud rider...He just offers me Michael Heiser who states it in order to bolster what he said and not scripture...
Oh, Snap!...The little fella can't prove it by the Torah, so, here he is again, bringing out yet another Christian author that thinks that he knows better than the Jews...
And notice everyone...Mike has still not provided the verse that states G-d is a cloud rider...He just offers me Michael Heiser who states it in order to bolster what he said and not scripture...
You're are being disingenuous. As I stated, I provided four such verses in post #3 in which Yahweh is referred to as the cloud rider/ or rider of the heavens.
We're done. This forum should be for mature people only.
Last edited by Michael Way; 01-01-2018 at 03:15 PM..
Why are you preaching Jewish ideology in a christian forum?
Christianity began as a Jewish creed in the Land of Israel, around the fist-century.
However, it appears that you don't know the history or the elements that separated them.
Instead, you follow a syncretistic (i.e., blended) religion under the umbrella of Catholicism.
What is a LIGHT cloud?...Is it different from a HEAVY cloud?...
1 The harsh prophecy of Egypt; Behold the Lord is riding on a light cloud and He shall come to Egypt, and the idols of Egypt shall quake from before Him and the heart of the Egyptians shall melt in their midst.
Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 33
26 Jeshurun, there is none like God; He Who rides the heavens is at your assistance, and with His majesty, [He rides] the skies,
No cloud rider here:
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 68
33 Kingdoms of the earth, sing to God, sing praises to the Lord forever.
Though you probably meant this:
34 To Him Who rides on the heaven of heavens of old; behold, He gives forth with His voice a voice of strength.
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 104
3 Who roofs His upper chambers with water; Who makes clouds His chariot, which goes on the wings of the wind.
And let's look at Isaiah 7:13
Daniel - Chapter 7
13 I saw in the visions of the night, and behold with the clouds of the heaven, one like a man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days and was brought before Him.
Rashi:
one like a man was coming: That is the King Messiah.
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and… up to the Ancient of Days: Who was sitting in judgment and judging the nations.
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came: arrived, reached
For one, it says "with" the clouds and not "on" the clouds...And it does not say that this man was riding the clouds, either...And this particular man was brought BEFORE the Ancient of Days, Who is G-d Himself...The MAN on the other hand is the Mashiach Melek..
So, you are stating that G-d was brought up before Himself?...
And where do you get the idea that only G-d can ride the clouds?...
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