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Old 01-15-2018, 08:04 PM
 
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The blood is the ransom. One must have a blood transfusion so His blood is your own.
Sorry, that is not what the verse says...Also, in Torah it states that no one may die for another’s sin, that each man shall die for his own sins...
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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The point is to become like Christ.
Not at ALL !!
If I am GUARANTEED a place in heaven because I believe Jesus has already died for my sins and I am now saved, then that's it !! It's over !!

What differnce does it make if I become like Christ or Hitler for the rest of my life? I should finish my life and go straight to paradise, no?
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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Jesus most definitely didn't lie, because he knew if everyone had love for each other. then it would cover the Laws of Jehovah God's 10 Commandments.



The entire law comes down to mercy, all the law and the prophets come down to loving God and your neighbor, not just the ten commandments, most Christians don't even keep the ten commandments. God's Sabbath is not followed by many.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:51 PM
 
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Not at ALL !!
If I am GUARANTEED a place in heaven because I believe Jesus has already died for my sins and I am now saved, then that's it !! It's over !!

What differnce does it make if I become like Christ or Hitler for the rest of my life? I should finish my life and go straight to paradise, no?
No, that’s just the beginning.

John 10:10

“I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” -Jesus

There is a process after salvation called sanctfication, a lifelong process of becoming like Christ, before we spend eternity with Him.

You are really confused about Christianity.

https://www.gotquestions.org/sanctification.html
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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Sorry, that is not what the verse says...Also, in Torah it states that no one may die for another’s sin, that each man shall die for his own sins...
Well, that is what would happen.

I really do agree with that line of thinking. You just don't understand what the flesh and blood is. The ransom is from God and given to those who serve Him in spirit and in truth.
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:02 AM
 
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No, that’s just the beginning.
John 10:10
“I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly.” -Jesus
There is a process after salvation called sanctification, a lifelong process of becoming like Christ before we spend eternity with Him.
You are really confused about Christianity.
The ONLY process we need to concern ourselves with is sanctification, Jimmie. Our salvation was accomplished by Jesus. We accomplish our sanctification by following His instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't. Everything else in Christian dogma is confusion from the "precepts and doctrines of men."
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:08 AM
 
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Well, that is what would happen.

I really do agree with that line of thinking. You just don't understand what the flesh and blood is. The ransom is from God and given to those who serve Him in spirit and in truth.
Ok, so who is G-d ransoming people from?...
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:25 AM
 
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Ok, so who is G-d ransoming people from?...
ransoming then from oppressors.
purity of blood?


https://www.biblestudytools.com/dict.../propitiation/
Kapporeth.
17And you shall make an ark cover of pure gold, two and a half cubits its length and a cubit and a half its width. יזוְעָשִׂ֥יתָ כַפֹּ֖רֶת זָהָ֣ב טָה֑וֹר אַמָּתַ֤יִם וָחֵ֨צִי֙ אָרְכָּ֔הּ וְאַמָּ֥ה וָחֵ֖צִי רָחְבָּֽהּ:

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Old 01-16-2018, 05:43 AM
 
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ransoming then from oppressors.
purity of blood?


https://www.biblestudytools.com/dict.../propitiation/
Kapporeth.
17And you shall make an ark cover of pure gold, two and a half cubits its length and a cubit and a half its width. יזוְעָשִׂ֥יתָ כַפֹּ֖רֶת זָהָ֣ב טָה֑וֹר אַמָּתַ֤יִם וָחֵ֨צִי֙ אָרְכָּ֔הּ וְאַמָּ֥ה וָחֵ֖צִי רָחְבָּֽהּ:
What does this verse have to do with it?...
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Old 01-16-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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The ONLY process we need to concern ourselves with is sanctification, Jimmie. Our salvation was accomplished by Jesus. We accomplish our sanctification by following His instructions to His disciples to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't. Everything else in Christian dogma is confusion from the "precepts and doctrines of men."
As Christians, yes. The unsaved must first believe.
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