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Old 01-19-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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so it is not easy for you" to not kill" ? or not covet? or commit adultery?

because these are sins unto death and they will kill you.. it is not difficult to understand..
and it is not thou shalt not Lie..

it is thou will not bear false witness like a court that causes someone to get capital punishment. so it is hard for you to not lie in a court of law?

it isn't 'about little white " lies",

it is about killing someone with bribery and lies about witnessing them doing something they didn't do like they did with Jesus and made up things he did that he didn't do in order to kill him.
these are hard for you to not do?

it is too difficult for you to love your neighbor as yourself ( thus treat them like you wish to be treated? ) and hard to Love God?
thinking of adultery may make you guilty of it , it isn't unto death unless you do it! you can still pray for you minds sins. and not reap for seeds of death sown. unless you linger 24/7 then eventually you will commit adultery. the committing is the sins unto death.

dang.. someone, it seems with all these militant anti-theist around has lost common sense and left it someplace around here on the floor and everyone is now stepping all over it.
dang..
so Is it hard for a Christian to not murder really? is that really that difficult for all of you?

we are not subject to any other laws of the Jews made up of men or given to them for their cultural sins.
we all are still subject to those ten.
that is not that hard to not do.
and those reduced to the two..because it is so simple..
Amen
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:35 AM
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Again, the law was given to POINT OUT your sin and ultimately drive you into the arms of Jesus. NO ONE can keep the law perfectly and Jesus pointed out your own testimony doesn't count, Jesus will judge you and every one who puts themselves under the law today WILL FAIL. Not one will be judged perfect.

We have moved from works + faith to just FAITH alone in Jesus will save, and it's through HIS grace we can be judged perfect by His IMPUTED righteousness not our own.............once given the Holy Spirit there is nothing that can take salvation away....
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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No, Vf6druiser, the Law was given to provide concrete guidance in particular perceptions of actions needed for community with God and man. SOME of those perceptions are plainly wrong and what is needed is an analysis of what really IS needed for that community. It is not a matter of not being able to fulfill the letter, but of having a commitment to fulfill the intent or spirit of the Law.
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Old 01-23-2018, 01:02 PM
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Again, the law was given to POINT OUT your sin and ultimately drive you into the arms of Jesus. NO ONE can keep the law perfectly and Jesus pointed out your own testimony doesn't count, Jesus will judge you and every one who puts themselves under the law today WILL FAIL. Not one will be judged perfect.

We have moved from works + faith to just FAITH alone in Jesus will save, and it's through HIS grace we can be judged perfect by His IMPUTED righteousness not our own.............once given the Holy Spirit there is nothing that can take salvation away....
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Old 01-23-2018, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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or not. More vague and misleading theology I'd say.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: US
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So sad that millions still think the law is easily kept and they have that heavy yoke to bear daily.
So sad that many are duped by Christianity...




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Break ONE law and you've broken ALL of it and will never see heaven on your own.
Who said?...I don't see that in the Torah...That's just as evil as saying that when Adam sinned that all his descendants are born into sin...


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Humans can't keep it and Jesus (the author of the law) designed it to drive you TO HIM for salvation. It has been twisted into the mess of law and grace we see today, which is unworkable.
Jesus is not the author of the Law, Moses was...The Law was given by Hashem to lead us into being better people, better human beings...And many in the Torah were righteous men who walked in all the ways of G-d...Or was G-d a liar when he said this?...


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No one can be set free truly until they realize they can be set free by the cross of Christ and the grace he has provided through the Apostle to the gentiles, Paul.
It seems that it is Christians who are under bondage...


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The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)
No...Torah tells you what is acceptable behavior in the eyes of Hashem...


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If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)
One must have faith in something in order to follow it...Good grief!...This was the densest comment on here...


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The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)
So, what you are stating is, that G-d gives us a set of rules to follow and then when we follow them He sends us to Hell?...

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The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)
The purpose of the Law was to help you improve yourself daily as a human being...It says nothing in the Torah about increasing sin...You are those that spit on G-d's Torah...

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Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
But you are under the Noachide Laws...

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Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)
If you say so, but your Jesus said different...

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The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
Again, many walked in ALL the ways of G-d and were called Tzaddik by G-d...

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The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)
Yes...Physical death...But the remedy for the sin is to repent of it...Before you die...

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The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
Well, I guess G-d is a liar, because He called many men in the Torah Righteous [Tzaddik] because they walked in all His Ways...

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The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

Yet most Christians claim that G-d has written His Laws on their hearts...From what I see, it doesn't seem so...
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:01 AM
 
Location: US
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No, Vf6druiser, the Law was given to provide concrete guidance in particular perceptions of actions needed for community with God and man. SOME of those perceptions are plainly wrong and what is needed is an analysis of what really IS needed for that community. It is not a matter of not being able to fulfill the letter, but of having a commitment to fulfill the intent or spirit of the Law.
And that is to become a better human being in the treatment of your fellow man...If one focuses on being righteous then one becomes righteous...Practice Righteousness...


Anyone ever wonder why Melech David was never stoned to death for his sin with Bath-Sheba?...
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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No, Vf6druiser, the Law was given to provide concrete guidance in particular perceptions of actions needed for community with God and man. SOME of those perceptions are plainly wrong and what is needed is an analysis of what really IS needed for that community. It is not a matter of not being able to fulfill the letter, but of having a commitment to fulfill the intent or spirit of the Law.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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what is the purpose of civil law?
The purpose of civil law in the United States today is to provide a mechanism whereby the working masses may be manipulated and robbed of their resources so as to provide advantages to corporate interests, government agencies and foreign interest groups.

The advantages that accrue to the private sector include but are not limited to finance/taxation, trade, and prevention of access to grievance processes that actually work. Our corrupt legal system benefits the rich and powerful. Our convoluted bureaucracy utilizes obfuscation to mask its ineptitude and corruption.

Civil Law is only of advantage to those who can afford to manipulate the system.

Those who are poor and disenfranchised have no 'pull' in a courtroom, in city hall, or the local regional or federal bureaucracy. These characteristics are the trademark of a system that is organized to obstruct the rights of its citizens. The government of the United States is no longer of by and for the people. It is a convoluted nest of corporatism commercialism and political cronyism.

Ostensibly the purpose of civil law is to maintain order among the masses. In actual practice our civil law works to suppress discontent, obstruct the grievance process, and to prevent discovery of guilt with regard to corruption on the part of public and corporate officials.

NO official of government wants to be held accountable for what they do. The real purpose of civil law is to subvert accountability.

The Christian church has failed in its greatest responsibility to the community and nation.
"If salt has lost its saltiness, how shall it be restored?" Jesus as quoted in Mathew 5:13

Prior to the American revolution, issues of debauched civil law were commonly preached from Christian pulpits. Today our spineless spiritual shepherds only speak so as to garner donations from their gullible membership. If there is corruption and criminal behavior in our government it is directly attributable to the preachers who DO NOT stand up to their responsibilities. Any man who tries to point out where the system is wrong is going to wind up like Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. Any politician who sincerely tries to correct the abuses of governmental agencies is going to wind up like President John F. Kennedy. Whistleblowers who reveal government lies end up like David Kelly or Daniel Pearl.(*)

Anybody who thinks the United States stands for freedom and democracy is only fooling themselves. America hasn't stood for those things or defended those things for a very very long time. Civil Law is a device to suppress the American public.

And the guilt for this situation lies squarely in the face of Christian preachers.......who don't preach truth any more - only happy talk to fill seats.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

(*) David Kelly worked for the British government as a bioweapons expert and a one time weapons inspector of Saddam Hussein's Iraq. After he informed a journalist there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, he suffered a mysterious death.

Daniel Pearl, a journalist for the Wall Street Journal, discovered a partnership between the CIA and Osama bin Laden regarding the 911 attacks. He suffered beheading by a member of al-qaeda.

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