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It's simple: the passages you quoted don't say that God is holding people's sin against them. Not once have you, or twin or BF or Finn or anyone else like you, explained your beliefs in a way that does NOT make that passage a lie. You are the one saying that particular passage isn't actually true, and you are the ones saying that every statement in the Bible is truth. You can't have it both ways.
It's simple: the passages you quoted don't say that God is holding people's sin against them. Not once have you, or twin or BF or Finn or anyone else like you, explained your beliefs in a way that does NOT make that passage a lie. You are the one saying that particular passage isn't actually true, and you are the ones saying that every statement in the Bible is truth. You can't have it both ways.
No, that’s what you are doing. Enjoying your buffet?
God made redemption available to all, through Christ. Will you accept? That is the message of the whole of scripture.
No, that’s what you are doing. Enjoying your buffet?
God made redemption available to all, through Christ. Will you accept? That is the message of the whole of scripture.
Redemption is not about going to heaven, it iis about being saved from self so that we can live by heaven instead. The mad, angry and wrathful mindset of God is not an image born from above, it is very much a image he(Jesus Christ) came to save us from.
If we Christians acted more like Christ, and were less hateful and judgmental, and loved like we were supposed to love - there probably wouldn't be anti-Christian bigots.
This is actually a very good question by itself.
How exactly ARE you supposed to love?
recall Yeshua. When asked, what commandments to follow, He said - There are only two to follow. Love God, thy Father and lover your neighbor, like you love thyself.
Now, should you chose to follow this path, it gives definition of how to love. Love like you love thyself.
Right? It's there, loud and clear.
That brings to a different point.
Do you, actually, love thyself? As if you do not love thyself, how can you love your neighbor?
This parallels with a Buddhist story. One of Sukyamuni's adepts asked for his blessing to go to a far land and preach His word, to make people happy. Sukyamuni softly sighed and said - How can you do that, if you are not happy yourself? As only after you are happy with what you are, you can help others to become happy with themselves.
This is a common idea present in teachings for times unknown. Unless you perfect yourself, you can noit perfect others. Yet, centuries were spent, unfathomable efforts, rivers of blood were spilled to accomplish just that - for ones who are imperfect thmselves to make others perfect.
As it all starts with One within. Unless that One is perfect - how can it help others without experiencing perfection One-self?
No, that’s what you are doing. Enjoying your buffet?
God made redemption available to all, through Christ. Will you accept? That is the message of the whole of scripture.
So, your message is that God IS holding the sin of the world against them even though Paul said that is not true and only if they accept your doctrines will God NOT hold their sin against them. You can present that contradictory message for as long as you like, but you're kidding yourself when you tell yourself you're not "enjoying? your buffet".
No, that’s what you are doing. Enjoying your buffet?
God made redemption available to all, through Christ. Will you accept? That is the message of the whole of scripture.
This is what Jesus said to those who condemned him to death.
I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go." John 18:8.
Because bible fundamentalist read the scriptures like it is history they don't see what Jesus is saying here. What is being said here is , i know you will not let these men go unless they are bought with a price..... here, take me as the payment and let them go.
It was not God demanding a payment it was the captive of those held in bondage wanting payment.
When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death. And when they had bound Him, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor. Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned. Condemned by those who hated the light of the world, not condemned of or by God.
This is what Jesus said to those who condemned him to death.
I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go." John 18:8.
Because bible fundamentalist read the scriptures like it is history they don't see what Jesus is saying here. What is being said here is , i know you will not let these men go unless they are bought with a price..... here, take me as the payment and let them go.
It was not God demanding a payment it was the captive of those held in bondage wanting payment.
When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death. And when they had bound Him, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor. Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned. Condemned by those who hated the light of the world, not condemned of or by God.
Beautiful.
Some would have us believe that God is holding us hostage and is demanding a payment -- or else.
They said "holy, holy, holy", not "love, love, love".
God is holy, which means morally pure, and will never consider immorality an acceptable thing. We can strive to be as 'holy' as possible but obviously we will never be the same.
And they were calling to one another: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."
Some would have us believe that God is holding us hostage and is demanding a payment -- or else.
Hostage, no. But he did create us, he told us what he expects of us, we've sinned against him, and he will punish sinners. And as the Creator who defined the rules, he is entirely justified in doing so.
The beautiful, good thing about all of it is that he died to pay the price to redeem us. The only thing he requires is a contrite heart that will trust in him.
So, your message is that God IS holding the sin of the world against them even though Paul said that is not true and only if they accept your doctrines will God NOT hold their sin against them. You can present that contradictory message for as long as you like, but you're kidding yourself when you tell yourself you're not "enjoying? your buffet".
What is contradictory is Universalism vs. Jesus’ words in John 3 and Matthew 25 and Mark 9 and John 5 and many other passages.
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