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Old 04-26-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Gettysburg, PA
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What's up guys, it's me again.

I personally love Christ. I'm a young adult navigating the world and trying to do right in the face of evil. But this issue is weighing heavy on my conscience. I am the descendant of people taken from West/Central Africa in chains and forced to work the soil of the land until they died. The brutes that took my people & owned them as property justified their actions with Biblical scripture. This scripture still exists and there are heated theological discussions to this day about its translation & the negative connotations associated with it.

I just need an answer, I need SOMEONE to give me an encouraging word or try to debunk the pro-slavery passages in the Bible. I feel extremely conflicted and although I do follow the Biblical laws to the best of my abilities, I can't help but feel this nagging doubt in the back of my mind.
God did not justify that kind of slavery that went on in the US. People sold themselves into slavery because they didn't have any other means to support themselves (I like this idea WAY MORE than the much-corrupted welfare system. But them slavery became corrupted too). Masters were to treat their slaves with respect and kindness (NOT torture them or treat them disrespectfully as mere property). And they were supposed to let them go free after a certain time (can't remember the number of years) and if the slave wanted to stay with their master, that was their own choice.

So, comparing Biblical slavery as prescribed by God's word and the slavery that went on during the Civil War and around that era is like comparing apples to oranges. You can't. They're completely different. If those people were using the Bible to justify their actions, they were taking it WAY out of context. Maybe just pointing to "look, God says 'slaves should obey their masters'--there you go! I'm going to beat you until you obey me 'cause God says".
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Old 04-26-2018, 08:36 PM
 
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God did not justify that kind of slavery that went on in the US. People sold themselves into slavery because they didn't have any other means to support themselves (I like this idea WAY MORE than the much-corrupted welfare system. But them slavery became corrupted too). Masters were to treat their slaves with respect and kindness (NOT torture them or treat them disrespectfully as mere property). And they were supposed to let them go free after a certain time (can't remember the number of years) and if the slave wanted to stay with their master, that was their own choice.

So, comparing Biblical slavery as prescribed by God's word and the slavery that went on during the Civil War and around that era is like comparing apples to oranges. You can't. They're completely different. If those people were using the Bible to justify their actions, they were taking it WAY out of context. Maybe just pointing to "look, God says 'slaves should obey their masters'--there you go! I'm going to beat you until you obey me 'cause God says".
Oh,
Is the op. Talking about un. Hostory?
Yeah, they gots some answering to do.
Especially after they cloctively attacked Syria to manufacture propevy and concede in devouring the countries resources.

Oops, did I say that out loud?
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Old 04-26-2018, 08:42 PM
 
Location: southern california
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You make a good point but to turn from people whose ancestors practiced slavery-
to people that practice slavery right now -is a step backwards
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Old 04-26-2018, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That one is the most corrupt...
Evidence?
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Old 04-27-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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What's up guys, it's me again.

I personally love Christ. I'm a young adult navigating the world and trying to do right in the face of evil. But this issue is weighing heavy on my conscience. I am the descendant of people taken from West/Central Africa in chains and forced to work the soil of the land until they died. The brutes that took my people & owned them as property justified their actions with Biblical scripture. This scripture still exists and there are heated theological discussions to this day about its translation & the negative connotations associated with it.

I just need an answer, I need SOMEONE to give me an encouraging word or try to debunk the pro-slavery passages in the Bible. I feel extremely conflicted and although I do follow the Biblical laws to the best of my abilities, I can't help but feel this nagging doubt in the back of my mind.


Those that actually know Jesus would have 0 to do with slaves, No teacher on earth would condone the owning of another human being, unless that human being sold themselves into endenturd service.
All are brothers and sisters of the human family under God and his son. Few know them. Not all is as appears in a satan ruled system of things( 2Cor 11:12-15)--most are taught by those.
There were slaves in the OT days as well--No it isn't right--99% have been mislead from the start right up until today, Satan beat them centuries ago--the facts are out there.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:01 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WRolle View Post
What's up guys, it's me again.

I personally love Christ. I'm a young adult navigating the world and trying to do right in the face of evil. But this issue is weighing heavy on my conscience. I am the descendant of people taken from West/Central Africa in chains and forced to work the soil of the land until they died. The brutes that took my people & owned them as property justified their actions with Biblical scripture. This scripture still exists and there are heated theological discussions to this day about its translation & the negative connotations associated with it.

I just need an answer, I need SOMEONE to give me an encouraging word or try to debunk the pro-slavery passages in the Bible. I feel extremely conflicted and although I do follow the Biblical laws to the best of my abilities, I can't help but feel this nagging doubt in the back of my mind.
Every race in the world has enslaved others. Even in Africa they had other African slaves. The Africans enslaved each other. The white Irish were enslaved by the English and brought here but they could not work in the fields with their fair skin and died very fast. People used those who they could work for longer. Evil----you bet but every culture did it. Even today there are slaves in the world. Let's pray for those people and for slavery to be stamped out everywhere.
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Old 04-28-2018, 04:56 AM
 
Location: US
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Every race in the world has enslaved others. Even in Africa they had other African slaves. The Africans enslaved each other. The white Irish were enslaved by the English and brought here but they could not work in the fields with their fair skin and died very fast. People used those who they could work for longer. Evil----you bet but every culture did it. Even today there are slaves in the world. Let's pray for those people and for slavery to be stamped out everywhere.
You don't know the Irish history very well....
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Old 04-28-2018, 04:57 AM
 
Location: US
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Those that actually know Jesus would have 0 to do with slaves, No teacher on earth would condone the owning of another human being, unless that human being sold themselves into endenturd service.
All are brothers and sisters of the human family under God and his son. Few know them. Not all is as appears in a satan ruled system of things( 2Cor 11:12-15)--most are taught by those.
There were slaves in the OT days as well--No it isn't right--99% have been mislead from the start right up until today, Satan beat them centuries ago--the facts are out there.
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Old 04-28-2018, 04:59 AM
 
Location: US
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Evidence?
Just do a comparative study...Actually, I know that you really do not want evidence or you would have found it out yourself already, like I have...
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Old 04-28-2018, 05:05 AM
 
Location: US
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God did not justify that kind of slavery that went on in the US. People sold themselves into slavery because they didn't have any other means to support themselves (I like this idea WAY MORE than the much-corrupted welfare system. But them slavery became corrupted too). Masters were to treat their slaves with respect and kindness (NOT torture them or treat them disrespectfully as mere property). And they were supposed to let them go free after a certain time (can't remember the number of years) and if the slave wanted to stay with their master, that was their own choice.

So, comparing Biblical slavery as prescribed by God's word and the slavery that went on during the Civil War and around that era is like comparing apples to oranges. You can't. They're completely different. If those people were using the Bible to justify their actions, they were taking it WAY out of context. Maybe just pointing to "look, God says 'slaves should obey their masters'--there you go! I'm going to beat you until you obey me 'cause God says".
Really?...Just like G-d did not condone polygamy?...There were two kinds of slavery, which is different from voluntary servitude...One type of slave you owned for life the other you had to release after a set period of time...
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