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So, atheists and Bible critics love to trot out this passage of the Mosaic Law. Rather than taking the passage for what was intended, to protect a person from abuse, they use it to make a illegitimate argument. These Modern mockers look at the ancient eastern culture and condemn it. Yet it is the exact same people who champion the idea to murder millions of innocent babies.
The sojourner who required to pay off debt was very common practice. The mockers, with their set of morales, would not allowed them to acquire the debt in the first plavce and either ignore their starvation or perhaps kill them outright? What is the solution to debt? Are we not enslaven to work for food, shelter, clothing?
So, atheists and Bible critics love to trot out this passage of the Mosaic Law. Rather than taking the passage for what was intended, to protect a person from abuse, they use it to make a illegitimate argument. These Modern mockers look at the ancient eastern culture and condemn it. Yet it is the exact same people who champion the idea to murder millions of innocent babies.
The sojourner who required to pay off debt was very common practice. The mockers, with their set of morales, would not allowed them to acquire the debt in the first plavce and either ignore their starvation or perhaps kill them outright.
I haven’t heard of any pro slavery passages of the Bible. People twist and pervert the Scriptures to suit their own wicked desires. It happens often and you can actually witness it on this site
You haven’t read much of the Torah, have you?...
Both OT and NT at least tolerate slavery as an institution. The OT passages at least offer some perceptions concerning the treatment of slaves that could be considered relatively humane for their time and place, while the NT passage, especially the letter to Philemon gave ideas and conditions that were totally ignored by those who justified slavery in the "New World." What OP needs to realize is that those who justified slavery a an institution by biblical passages totally ignored especially what was said in the NT not only about treating slaves, but about treating people in general. It wad never a matter of faith, but of how to bypass the requirements of faith while retaining the appearance, just as so many do today in other matters. The kind of slavery based essentially on race was really not seen in the world before and many of the practices were among the most heinous ever seen, as well as the attitudes about the subjugated people that were necessary to "justify" such practices which were by no means limited to the slaveholders themselves that are a source of amazement to anyone who really looks at the message of Christ.
To the OP: don't confuse following institutional religion with all its vagaries with following Christ.
So, atheists and Bible critics love to trot out this passage of the Mosaic Law. Rather than taking the passage for what was intended, to protect a person from abuse, they use it to make a illegitimate argument. These Modern mockers look at the ancient eastern culture and condemn it. Yet it is the exact same people who champion the idea to murder millions of innocent babies.
The sojourner who required to pay off debt was very common practice. The mockers, with their set of morales, would not allowed them to acquire the debt in the first plavce and either ignore their starvation or perhaps kill them outright? What is the solution to debt? Are we not enslaven to work for food, shelter, clothing?
Is this supposed to be taken seriously? In the first place, the requirement was to show a verse that tolerates slavery. Tell me that the verse cited does NOT "tolerate slavery" when it says that if the slave hangs onto life for a few days the slave owner is not to be punished since the slave is his property and that is as far as the "protection from abuse" extends for beating a slave.
THEN you bring up an entirely different subject in the matter of what is called "slavery" but is really what we would call indentured servitude (look it up, you might be surprised} for people who incur debts, but which has nothing to do with chattel bondage, which was ALSO practiced in Israel as if the practices of one kind of "slavery" applied to the other. We are not that stupid. Nor are we stupid enough to buy into your desperate red herring about refusing to apply religious perceptions to civil questions regarding abortion, as if that had anything to do with the question you seem so desperate to avoid.
Both OT and NT at least tolerate slavery as an institution. The OT passages at least offer some perceptions concerning the treatment of slaves that could be considered relatively humane for their time and place, while the NT passage, especially the letter to Philemon gave ideas and conditions that were totally ignored by those who justified slavery in the "New World." What OP needs to realize is that those who justified slavery a an institution by biblical passages totally ignored especially what was said in the NT not only about treating slaves, but about treating people in general. It wad never a matter of faith, but of how to bypass the requirements of faith while retaining the appearance, just as so many do today in other matters. The kind of slavery based essentially on race was really not seen in the world before and many of the practices were among the most heinous ever seen, as well as the attitudes about the subjugated people that were necessary to "justify" such practices which were by no means limited to the slaveholders themselves that are a source of amazement to anyone who really looks at the message of Christ.
To the OP: don't confuse following institutional religion with all its vagaries with following Christ.
I haven’t heard of any pro slavery passages of the Bible. People twist and pervert the Scriptures to suit their own wicked desires. It happens often and you can actually witness it on this site
I agree. The slaves of the bible were more like indentured servants. There is no place in the bible that justifies the way slavery was conducted in the United States.
I agree. The slaves of the bible were more like indentured servants. There is no place in the bible that justifies the way slavery was conducted in the United States.
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The Hebrew Scriptures used the same word for slave and servant. The reality was somewhere between the two and most similar to indentured servitude. It was very different from slavery in other ancient near east nations, British Colonies or in the United States because the type of “slavery” approved of in the Bible was more of an employer/employee relationship rather than an owner/slave situation and a poor or unemployed person often willing entered into one of these temporary arrangements or used it as a way to pay off a debt they owed.
It was heavily regulated , for example, Jewish Law restricted the master’s power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).
The slave was a member of the master’s household (Lev. 22:11)
The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14)
The slave was required and able to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years and then he was to be set free (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14)
So, while not ideal, this was appropriate for the life and times of that era. In the New Testament we see the seeds being sown which eventually would lead to slavery being abolished in the Christian Western world although sadly, even today, slavery still continues in a number of non-Christian countries.
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