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Old 05-04-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Once a society becomes conditioned to depravity, it then accepts homosexual acts as acceptable; this is the summit of depravity in a society. Judgment is on the horizon.
Depravity = corruption---they vote for it year after year-2Peter 2:19)--that is who orders others children to go kill under lying pretenses. 99% live in darkness.
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Old 05-04-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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please look up the statistics on who gives and who doesn't again .. then call me a liar..
arrogance starts with ease and greed and ends with militant he/s/he/it's doing what they do to whom ever they can do it to .

but no cry is coming to heaven from the earth for a hauty look.
they were trying to rape angels sir!
the start of that sin might have been a hauty look , then fat and greedy .. but it didn't end there. sin breeds sin and sin feeds sin.. meaning it grows with time.. they were so hauty they wanted to rape angels.. and they didn't start with wanting to rape angels. I would suggest that they were well practiced at that deed as every man old and young came to rape them.... they were practiced at it !
You've said that the primary sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality.
Ezekiel said it was lack of hospitality.
Isaiah said it was failing to care for widows and orphans.

The Sodomites were trying to humiliate the angels. They had no idea that those men were angels.

I prefer the Prophets to the rambling you have. Incidentally, "hauty" is spelled HAUGHTY.

What you are doing by trying to make homosexuals look like "evil deviants," is itself evil, bigoted, and uncalled for from someone whose Lord and Savior, looks like a genocidal monster. I never got that picture of Jesus myself.
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Old 05-04-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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Isaiah ... hum .. he said the truth . but anyone who knows anything about trees knows the roots of the tree don't taist like or look like the fruits of the tree.. that tree was rotten to the roots.
and only the Lord of creation AND HIS SPIRIT can fix what got broken like that.
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Old 05-04-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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please look up the statistics on who gives and who doesn't again .. then call me a liar..
arrogance starts with ease and greed and ends with militant he/s/he/it's doing what they do to whom ever they can do it to .

but no cry is coming to heaven from the earth for a hauty look.
they were trying to rape angels sir!
the start of that sin might have been a hauty look , then fat and greedy .. but it didn't end there. sin breeds sin and sin feeds sin.. meaning it grows with time.. they were so hauty they wanted to rape angels.. and they didn't start with wanting to rape angels. I would suggest that they were well practiced at that deed as every man old and young came to rape them.... they were practiced at it !
“Angels” are messengers not supernatural beings.
Those things are types .... there is another similar story in judges 19 with the body of the concubine being cut in 12 pieces and distributed

A Levite and His Concubine

Jdg 19:1 In those days, when there was no king in Israel, a certain Levite was sojourning in the remote parts of the hill country of Ephraim, who took to himself a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah.
Jdg 19:2 And his concubine was unfaithful to him, and she went away from him to her father's house at Bethlehem in Judah, and was there some four months.
Jdg 19:3 Then her husband arose and went after her, to speak kindly to her and bring her back. He had with him his servant and a couple of donkeys. And she brought him into her father's house. And when the girl's father saw him, he came with joy to meet him.
Jdg 19:4 And his father-in-law, the girl's father, made him stay, and he remained with him three days. So they ate and drank and spent the night there.
Jdg 19:5 And on the fourth day they arose early in the morning, and he prepared to go, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, “Strengthen your heart with a morsel of bread, and after that you may go.”
Jdg 19:6 So the two of them sat and ate and drank together. And the girl's father said to the man, “Be pleased to spend the night, and let your heart be merry.”
Jdg 19:7 And when the man rose up to go, his father-in-law pressed him, till he spent the night there again.
Jdg 19:8 And on the fifth day he arose early in the morning to depart. And the girl's father said, “Strengthen your heart and wait until the day declines.” So they ate, both of them.
Jdg 19:9 And when the man and his concubine and his servant rose up to depart, his father-in-law, the girl's father, said to him, “Behold, now the day has waned toward evening. Please, spend the night. Behold, the day draws to its close. Lodge here and let your heart be merry, and tomorrow you shall arise early in the morning for your journey, and go home.”
Jdg 19:10 But the man would not spend the night. He rose up and departed and arrived opposite Jebus (that is, Jerusalem). He had with him a couple of saddled donkeys, and his concubine was with him.
Jdg 19:11 When they were near Jebus, the day was nearly over, and the servant said to his master, “Come now, let us turn aside to this city of the Jebusites and spend the night in it.”
Jdg 19:12 And his master said to him, “We will not turn aside into the city of foreigners, who do not belong to the people of Israel, but we will pass on to Gibeah.”
Jdg 19:13 And he said to his young man, “Come and let us draw near to one of these places and spend the night at Gibeah or at Ramah.”
Jdg 19:14 So they passed on and went their way. And the sun went down on them near Gibeah, which belongs to Benjamin,
Jdg 19:15 and they turned aside there, to go in and spend the night at Gibeah. And he went in and sat down in the open square of the city, for no one took them into his house to spend the night.
Jdg 19:16 And behold, an old man was coming from his work in the field at evening. The man was from the hill country of Ephraim, and he was sojourning in Gibeah. The men of the place were Benjaminites.
Jdg 19:17 And he lifted up his eyes and saw the traveler in the open square of the city. And the old man said, “Where are you going? And where do you come from?”
Jdg 19:18 And he said to him, “We are passing from Bethlehem in Judah to the remote parts of the hill country of Ephraim, from which I come. I went to Bethlehem in Judah, and I am going to the house of the LORD, but no one has taken me into his house.
Jdg 19:19 We have straw and feed for our donkeys, with bread and wine for me and your female servant and the young man with your servants. There is no lack of anything.”
Jdg 19:20 And the old man said, “Peace be to you; I will care for all your wants. Only, do not spend the night in the square.”
Jdg 19:21 So he brought him into his house and gave the donkeys feed. And they washed their feet, and ate and drank.
Gibeah's Crime

Jdg 19:22 As they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, worthless fellows, surrounded the house, beating on the door. And they said to the old man, the master of the house, “Bring out the man who came into your house, that we may know him.”
Jdg 19:23 And the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, “No, my brothers, do not act so wickedly; since this man has come into my house, do not do this vile thing.
Jdg 19:24 Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine. Let me bring them out now. Violate them and do with them what seems good to you, but against this man do not do this outrageous thing.”
Jdg 19:25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine and made her go out to them.
And they knew her and abused her all night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her go.
Jdg 19:26 And as morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man's house where her master was, until it was light.
Jdg 19:27 And her master rose up in the morning, and when he opened the doors of the house and went out to go on his way, behold, there was his concubine lying at the door of the house, with her hands on the threshold.
Jdg 19:28 He said to her, “Get up, let us be going.” But there was no answer. Then he put her on the donkey, and the man rose up and went away to his home.
Jdg 19:29 And when he entered his house, he took a knife, and taking hold of his concubine he divided her, limb by limb, into twelve pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel.
Jdg 19:30 And all who saw it said, “Such a thing has never happened or been seen from the day that the people of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt until this day; consider it, take counsel, and speak.”
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Old 05-04-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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“Angels” are messengers not supernatural beings.
Those things are types .... there is another similar story in judges 19 with the body of the concubine being cut in 12 pieces and distributed

A Levite and His Concubine

Jdg 19:1 In those days, when there was no king in Israel, a certain Levite was sojourning in the remote parts of the hill country of Ephraim, who took to himself a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah.
Jdg 19:2 And his concubine was unfaithful to him, and she went away from him to her father's house at Bethlehem in Judah, and was there some four months.
Jdg 19:3 Then her husband arose and went after her, to speak kindly to her and bring her back. He had with him his servant and a couple of donkeys. And she brought him into her father's house. And when the girl's father saw him, he came with joy to meet him.
Jdg 19:4 And his father-in-law, the girl's father, made him stay, and he remained with him three days. So they ate and drank and spent the night there.
Jdg 19:5 And on the fourth day they arose early in the morning, and he prepared to go, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, “Strengthen your heart with a morsel of bread, and after that you may go.”
Jdg 19:6 So the two of them sat and ate and drank together. And the girl's father said to the man, “Be pleased to spend the night, and let your heart be merry.”
Jdg 19:7 And when the man rose up to go, his father-in-law pressed him, till he spent the night there again.
Jdg 19:8 And on the fifth day he arose early in the morning to depart. And the girl's father said, “Strengthen your heart and wait until the day declines.” So they ate, both of them.
Jdg 19:9 And when the man and his concubine and his servant rose up to depart, his father-in-law, the girl's father, said to him, “Behold, now the day has waned toward evening. Please, spend the night. Behold, the day draws to its close. Lodge here and let your heart be merry, and tomorrow you shall arise early in the morning for your journey, and go home.”
Jdg 19:10 But the man would not spend the night. He rose up and departed and arrived opposite Jebus (that is, Jerusalem). He had with him a couple of saddled donkeys, and his concubine was with him.
Jdg 19:11 When they were near Jebus, the day was nearly over, and the servant said to his master, “Come now, let us turn aside to this city of the Jebusites and spend the night in it.”
Jdg 19:12 And his master said to him, “We will not turn aside into the city of foreigners, who do not belong to the people of Israel, but we will pass on to Gibeah.”
Jdg 19:13 And he said to his young man, “Come and let us draw near to one of these places and spend the night at Gibeah or at Ramah.”
Jdg 19:14 So they passed on and went their way. And the sun went down on them near Gibeah, which belongs to Benjamin,
Jdg 19:15 and they turned aside there, to go in and spend the night at Gibeah. And he went in and sat down in the open square of the city, for no one took them into his house to spend the night.
Jdg 19:16 And behold, an old man was coming from his work in the field at evening. The man was from the hill country of Ephraim, and he was sojourning in Gibeah. The men of the place were Benjaminites.
Jdg 19:17 And he lifted up his eyes and saw the traveler in the open square of the city. And the old man said, “Where are you going? And where do you come from?”
Jdg 19:18 And he said to him, “We are passing from Bethlehem in Judah to the remote parts of the hill country of Ephraim, from which I come. I went to Bethlehem in Judah, and I am going to the house of the LORD, but no one has taken me into his house.
Jdg 19:19 We have straw and feed for our donkeys, with bread and wine for me and your female servant and the young man with your servants. There is no lack of anything.”
Jdg 19:20 And the old man said, “Peace be to you; I will care for all your wants. Only, do not spend the night in the square.”
Jdg 19:21 So he brought him into his house and gave the donkeys feed. And they washed their feet, and ate and drank.
Gibeah's Crime

Jdg 19:22 As they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, worthless fellows, surrounded the house, beating on the door. And they said to the old man, the master of the house, “Bring out the man who came into your house, that we may know him.”
Jdg 19:23 And the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, “No, my brothers, do not act so wickedly; since this man has come into my house, do not do this vile thing.
Jdg 19:24 Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine. Let me bring them out now. Violate them and do with them what seems good to you, but against this man do not do this outrageous thing.”
Jdg 19:25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine and made her go out to them.
And they knew her and abused her all night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her go.
Jdg 19:26 And as morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man's house where her master was, until it was light.
Jdg 19:27 And her master rose up in the morning, and when he opened the doors of the house and went out to go on his way, behold, there was his concubine lying at the door of the house, with her hands on the threshold.
Jdg 19:28 He said to her, “Get up, let us be going.” But there was no answer. Then he put her on the donkey, and the man rose up and went away to his home.
Jdg 19:29 And when he entered his house, he took a knife, and taking hold of his concubine he divided her, limb by limb, into twelve pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel.
Jdg 19:30 And all who saw it said, “Such a thing has never happened or been seen from the day that the people of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt until this day; consider it, take counsel, and speak.”
ARE YOU SAYING ISRAEL IS INNOCENT AND SODOM IS MORE GUILTY? Eze 16:48

“As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “neither your sister Sodom nor her daughters have done as you and your daughters have done.
Eze 16:49

“Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

THE ROOTS OF SIN IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FRUITS OF SIN .
THE ROOT IS NOT THE FRUIT. SIN GROWS AND MULTIPLIES , IT IS NOT STAGNANT!
MY GOD DID NOT KILL ANYONE FOR BEING FAT!!
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Old 05-04-2018, 02:49 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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You've said that the primary sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality.
Ezekiel said it was lack of hospitality.
Isaiah said it was failing to care for widows and orphans.

The Sodomites were trying to humiliate the angels. They had no idea that those men were angels.

I prefer the Prophets to the rambling you have. Incidentally, "hauty" is spelled HAUGHTY.

What you are doing by trying to make homosexuals look like "evil deviants," is itself evil, bigoted, and uncalled for from someone whose Lord and Savior, looks like a genocidal monster. I never got that picture of Jesus myself.
I believe the stories are mostly not literal but are for learning, Jesus came to fulfill prophecy, all the things written about him are about the prophetic things in both the old and New Testaments which need to be compared with like things, Revelation reveals what the sexual immorality is

Rev 18:2 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
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Old 05-04-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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ARE YOU SAYING ISRAEL IS INNOCENT AND SODOM IS MORE GUILTY? Eze 16:48

“As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “neither your sister Sodom nor her daughters have done as you and your daughters have done.
Eze 16:49

“Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

THE ROOTS OF SIN IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FRUITS OF SIN .
THE ROOT IS NOT THE FRUIT. SIN GROWS AND MULTIPLIES , IT IS NOT STAGNANT!
MY GOD DID NOT KILL ANYONE FOR BEING FAT!!
No
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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Yet you do the exact same thing!!!!
Wrong again.

Perhaps you can take your own advice and consider animism since if you unsure about your own beliefs.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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i believe the stories are mostly not literal but are for learning, jesus came to fulfill prophecy, all the things written about him are about the prophetic things in both the old and new testaments which need to be compared with like things, revelation reveals what the sexual immorality is

rev 18:2 and he called out with a mighty voice, “fallen, fallen is babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.

Rev 18:3 for all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
YES this is true of every city and every state and every NATION AND EVERYTHING now days .. Including some churches who the book of revelation warns us all about those who follow the spirit of Jezebel /prophetess of the spirit of Jezebel and teach others to commit sexual sins.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Isaiah ... hum .. he said the truth . but anyone who knows anything about trees knows the roots of the tree don't taist like or look like the fruits of the tree.. that tree was rotten to the roots.
and only the Lord of creation AND HIS SPIRIT can fix what got broken like that.
Since you believe in a magical god, why don't you just be quiet, pray, and let him deal with it?
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