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I watched the first 25 minutes. Both Guyenot and the interviewer are conspiracy theorists claiming that Israel is behind 9/11 and the twin-towers attack.
First of all, this has nothing to do with the Christianity forum and can't be discussed on this forum.
Secondly, whether it's true or not, it doesn't justify antisemitism.
Thirdly, it has nothing to do with whether Yahweh is God.
So you watched the first 25 minutes and the last 25 minutes, and missed out the 40 minutes in-between. Is that about it.
It is an arguable point, but conspiracy theorist is agreed to be a derogatory (and accusatory) term, that seeks to deride those who make unwarranted speculations and assumptions about a particular narrative, usually the official narrative. ...please consider that you're making this accusation against two PhD's here(*), so you need to be really sure that they don't know what they're talking about, or you do. Me, I just want to inch closer to the truth, and it feels like there is some in this, for the moment.
(*) Kevin Barrett, the interviewer, was about to embark on a university lecturing career, but investigated 9/11 and began lecturing on it, and lost his job.
It has everything to do with the Christianity forum, because of the possible blinkers on those who believe the OT is the inerrant word of God, or the carnal minded unbelief of those who just can't accept that concept, for all the associated reasons.
On your second point. I've suggested that you consider the wider and deeper issues behind Zionism at play on the world geo-political stage, and you've come back with a standalone strawman statement - whether it's the truth or not, it doesn't justify anti-Semitism. I'm ok with you judging Guyenot as anti-Semitic - if that's what you feel he is and need to do, but what you haven't done is form a view on whether Zionism is plaguing the world with many if not most of its geopolitical problems. And the link back, is then, could that be due to the perceptions the Jews/Israel have formed because of their tribal beliefs, associated with a god called Yahweh. I.e. their carnal, materialistic / satanic, conquer all views. And has any of that blindness rubbed off on the Christians who still keep peddling Yahweh is Father.
Which makes your third point moot, as I've already tried to suggest with the weighing and testing of the spirits principle - I have to assume you do not understand that principle.
Now I hope you can make the greater leap and realize that there is no God and that YHWH was one of many tribal gods who eventually through military power and politics, and religious control took the top spot in the ANE milieu of polytheism and its subsequent transformations into a strict monotheistic cult.
But that might be a long way coming when apologist like Heiser try to keep the embers of Christian theism from burning out on a scholarly level. Of course the masses will never give it up but hopefully you will have the courage to realize reality and embrace these other facts.
There is true freedom in it!
intresting post, but I must disagree. I'm in reverse of your statement of there is no God, many tribal gods.
I believe the bible of ONE "TRUE" GOD and no "gods". Acts 19:26 "Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands".
men make up gods. not God.
PCY.
PS you can believe what you want, that's your choice. be well.
04-24-2018, 03:17 PM
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intresting post, but I must disagree. I'm in reverse of your statement of there is no God, many tribal gods.
I believe the bible of ONE "TRUE" GOD and no "gods". Acts 19:26 "Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands".
men make up gods. not God.
PCY.
PS you can believe what you want, that's your choice. be well.
I just go one further - men make up all gods including ones with capital 'G'.
I just go one further - men make up all gods including ones with capital 'G'.
I'll take it one futher, Can you prove who made up God.
PCY
04-24-2018, 03:35 PM
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I'll take it one futher, Can you prove who made up God.
PCY
No! And I would not claim I could! It's a social/historical/cultural process with its roots in many prior beliefs of groups of people. It is silly to try to actually name a historical figure - it does not really work like that.
No! And I would not claim I could! It's a social/historical/cultural process with its roots in many prior beliefs of groups of people. It is silly to try to actually name a historical figure - it does not really work like that.
I see, so is FAITH out the door too?
PCY
04-24-2018, 03:41 PM
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I see, so is FAITH out the door too?
PCY
No, it is a conclusion based upon historical and textual evidence.
Faith is: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
No, it is a conclusion based upon historical and textual evidence.
do you really believe that? sound like the bible, "historical and textual evidence".
So where do FAITH come from for it to be written about historically. when was it started, for we use it everyday right.
and the bible says Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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04-24-2018, 03:50 PM
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do you really believe that? sound like the bible, "historical and textual evidence".
So where do FAITH come from for it to be written about historically. when was it started, for we use it everyday right.
and the bible says Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
PCY
The bible texts are certainly PART of it. Faith is a mechanism of belief - its origins can't be pinned down to a certain people but is nonetheless part of our human history. And Heb.11:6 is one mans opinion/faith.
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